Hell of a night

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May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
We finally got what seemed like a decent forecast to leave Tampa Bay and get a little farther south. Sat. night was forecast for 10-15 knot winds from the E and NE, seas 2 to 4, with a slight chance of thunderstorms. Rhumb line course after clearing Tampa Bay would be almost due S. I do not do inlets or inshore at night if at all possible, for several reasons. Not the least of which is I am color blind, picking out red and green is a problem, as well as trying to see either one when background lights are present. Also my night time depth perception ain't what it used to be. So as much as I love night sailing, I make it a point to do it offshore. The decision was made to leave Tampa Bay a little after 1600. This would give us an overnight run, and make Boca Gande pass after sunrise. Good plan and started out fine. Cleared Tampa Bay and turned S. Guess what. Winds were 10-15, seas were a little lumpy, but were in the 2 to four range, but of course the winds are SSE, and we can't run our direct route south. First strange thing happened between 9 & 10 PM. The CG is on the radio asking for everyone to watch for and assist if possible for a boat. Seems some idiot was out there in a 12 canoe, supposed to be 2 &1/2 miles from point something. Not sure whether he had been reported overdue, or had managed to call for help himself.
Then shortly before going off watch at 10:00PM I saw some lights way ahead, basically on our rhumb line. Not moving, so I assume an anchored shrimper or something. A little before midnight, Karen has the watch, and I'm sleeping when the VHF comes to life. A tug with a tow is hailing us, tells Karen we are on a collision course. She doesn't see him, but the anchored shrimp boat is ahead, and we will pass about 1/4 mile in front of him. She tells the tug she doesn't see him, and what does he want her to do. He says to alter course and pass behind the shrimper and all will be fine. And he says, by the way you have no lights showing. By this time I am up and on deck. Karen is getting anty, as someone is telling her were on a collision course with something she doesn't see. Anyway, we change course, pass behind the shrimper. I go up and check the bow light, and sure enough it's out. But we have yet to see any sign of another boat of any kind, or even a light, anywhere within our visual range. Had to have been someone on the shrimp boat screwing with us, but sure is strange.
Then of course, at 3AM, as usual when I'm on watch, a thunderstorm pops up. I must have something tatooed on my forhead about 3AM. But this one is not bad, lasts about 15 minutes with some rain. All is well again till a little after dawn, when the sky once again opens up, and this time it lasts. We ended up in the fairway off Boca Grande pass about 10 miles offshore. The wind is blowing about 25 knots, tide running out, and seas 3 to 5 and steep. All of course on the nose. Could make about 3 to 4 knots, then hit a big square wave and just stop the boat, then go again. Long wet ride in.
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,204
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Gee, That Sounds Like Fun

It does sound like the shrimper was having 'fun' with you. That's when AIS would have been a help. Still don't understand how fishing boats got exempted tho.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
Just curious, but don't you check your navigation lights when you turn them on??? that's standard practice on my boat and most of the others I sail on...
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
3,198
1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
usually the nav lights work--unusual for them not to--we fixed them last time we went sailing just last fall..lol--as for the anchored shrimper--he was sloooowly moving toward shore with nets dragging at his side.....when noaa says slight =chance of showers on sunday afternoon, i actually forgot and believed them--when i started watch on sun 0600, i saw some gorgeous sky and took pix..lol.....by 0730 i found we were in the middle of a nice hugeous tboomer with winds and seas--lol---i managed to take us to 0900, at which time phillip took over---for him it all layed down lol...but not for long---seas stayed decent until just outside of punta gorda--lol----i describe what we met and had fun in as norge and mixmaster seas with a tad of maytag..lol--was very wet----lots of exercise!!! btw--the shrimper was lit up like a christmas tree and looked a lot like a tug and tow----and with the bright white lights he displayed he really looked like a tug--but i didnt see any tow--lol--couldnt see in front of his lights----is alll goood--is better to divert -- even if under sail alone than to have a problem with mebbe hitting something----glad was only 60 miles !!! LOL
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
I bet if you drill a small hole in the back of those nav lights you will see a little pinpoint of light when they come on.
Also I learn that Zeehag has a proper name but I like your handle.
I have had about 3 days that I would rate as tens from anchor up to anchor down but I sure have been promiced a bunch of tens and ended up with twos. lol
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
3,198
1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
ross--yer ok!! noaa says "chance of rain"---LOOK OUT!!!!!! LOL.......ask me if i trust them lol......i believe n el nino.....
i usually can see the red or green on the jib or reflecting in the bow waves--but i didnt see anything and asked phil if they were on--he said they were lol...but we have had the gremlin in the nav lights before--another corrosion i guess--we keep dunking them as phillip still believes in noaa lol.....and the easter bunnie and santa clause--lol---awgiebopp..lol--i have to see the picture before i will listen to noaa anymore --starting last year--lol
we only listened 4-5 times to the noaa reports before leaving--started out ok....but went to blazes ......oh well---the gods of the sea have bizarre senses of humor and play rasty practical jokes..LOL......they do keep us on our toes-as we explore new depths of personal strength and exhaustion..LOL....sailing is fun........sailing is fgun....sailing is fun.....LOL.....
next time we give a better offering to the sea gods lol
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
3,198
1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
RADAR???!!!!

wtf!!!!!

do you SAIL!!!????

RADAR IS NOT A NEEDED ITEM--IS A LUXURY.

glad to know you have so much money you can slam us for not having same----has been many years folks have been sailing around the world and off floriduh's coast without it--what makes it needed now????!!!!!
eyes work better than electronic thingies. electronix can always fail. i take visual bearings and i use my EYES for many things you probably use electronix for--what will you do WHEN the electronix fail--note the operative word!!!
i have been sailing longer than you have probably been alive---why is it the noobs (those who learned to sail via snot clubs..lol) donot know how to use eyeballs!!??? i donot understand the thinking!!!! the man who taught my family how to sail was also part of family--he was a tallshipman---he taught us things you will never know nor understand---there is no NEED for any electronix on board a true SAILboat--lol.......yet we do use them...we use gps, we use all kinds of things that were not yet in use when my uncle was teaching us how to handle a sailboat----there is no reason on this earth for NEEDing electronix...lol..have a good day and smooth sailing.
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,832
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Bummer

I missed you again sorry me being grounded,I would have love to join you out on the water and maybe sail with you south down to the Keys or Dry Tortugas but the Doctor said no for now.
The Doctor said 1 or 2 weeks before I do any activity and my wife is making sure I follow his orders,I can go for walks for now so not a death sentence right now but a need a sailing fix soon.
How long you around and whee to next,what's your route plan's.
Nick
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
3,198
1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
nick--we on our way to ft myers tomorrow for reprovisioning...to isla saturday , as we see at present...lol...maybe you and lovely lady might join us in ft myers for a pizza or something --- doesnt have to be pizza----as long as doctor oks it...we are flexible--sorry to hear the md placed a hold on fun for you----as a critical care area rn, i will make sure you follow orders and not get away with mischief--we will be in ft myers for a bit---give us a call---see pm!!!!
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,219
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
Sounds like SAILING !! LOL !
Good to know you guys are still having fun and heading south more or less!
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
No nav lights, no radar

Just to clarify, the nav lights were on and working when we left Tampa Bay. I did and do always check them when it gets dark out. As for radar, I'm not a believer that radar is a necessity. Nice to have, but a long way from necessary. Being one of the older sailors on this board, I am a kind of a KISS type. My electronics consist of a small Garmin chartplotter, a depth sounder, and a very old Lawrence GPS for a back up. Thats it. My wind instruments are a couple of pieces of orange trash bag draw strings on the shrouds. No other electronic gizmos. I have sailed boats with all the bells and whistles, and am not particularly impressed. Seems like there is almost always a glitch of some kind, and you can spend more time screwing around with the electronics than you do sailiing the boat. So far, on this boat, in the last couple of years I have traveled right at 10,000 miles. Have had good weather and bad, taken some beatings at times, but have not missed not having more electronic stuff. Will probably keep it like it is, and spend my money on going and seeing.
 
Oct 6, 2007
103
Catalina 387 Panama City, FL
Well "zeehag" I hope feel better after my flogging.
After 25 years as a power boater and 20 years as a sailor, I have done my share of time without radar. Yes now I can afford it and yes I have it and yes I use it. Does my survival depend on it, NO. My "water resume" is not as impressive as yours. Rest assured that when I am on the water, be it crossing the Bay or crossing the Gulf, I will depend on my skills for survival not my electronics. However, I do carry an EPIRB, a PLB, and a "Spot" (all with internal GPS), I hope you approve of depending on those electronics, as a last resort.

And, if you are wondering, I will be getting AIS also.

Bill
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
3,198
1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
sea ranch--i appreciate allada fun stuff and toys many folks use---i just donot have them on this boat which isnt mine---they would mebbe have not done any good with the shrimper from hell anyway--he seemed intent on messing with the lightless sailboat...LOL....as far as the weather is concerned--eh!
i dont have an epirb-not even on my own boat--i donot know plb---
we have spot...lol....
happy sailing......mebbe we run into ye in the gulf....not literally!--my resume isnt impressive--i was just born into the right family........
 
Jan 4, 2006
283
West Coast
@ SeaRanch: zeehag is entitled to her opinion, whatever it is. You seem hurt by hers.


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Nice N Easy, he say: The wind is blowing about 25 knots, tide running out, and seas 3 to 5 and steep.
Now, you know the tide's job is to rise and fall, and currents do the running. I often misspeak this way, though I know it's not accurate :)
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
@ SeaRanch: zeehag is entitled to her opinion, whatever it is. You seem hurt by hers.


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Now, you know the tide's job is to rise and fall, and currents do the running. I often misspeak this way, though I know it's not accurate :)
In the days of sail without engines or tugs, the watch would call to the bridge that the tide had turned. The captain would inform all concerned that "we sail with the tide". All of that rising and falling happens because water comes and goes. When it is going and the wind is coming the sea is rather lumpy. All of that coming and going water creates those currents. There are circular tidal currents in some areas along the New England coast. In some parts of the Gulf of Mexico there is but one high and one low tide in each 24 hour day.
 

Benny

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Sep 27, 2008
1,149
Hunter 320 Tampa, FL
The best piece of equipment that you may have on a shorthanded offshore boat is an autopilot. It is the equivalent of adding a tireless crewmember. It gives you freedom to get up and move around and makes watches less tiring. You still have to be alert and scan the horizon frequently but do not have to waste energy steering. Radar is a nicety mainly for weather but hardly a necessity.
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
3,198
1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
ok we gonna put nice n easy thru a new experience--lol--picking up a mooring ..LOL...we will see how he handles it--i have done this sooo many times at home--is how i live lol...but he is a mooring virgin........i believe he will write chapter 2 on a separate thread------could be some humor in this one........
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
ok we gonna put nice n easy thru a new experience--lol--picking up a mooring ..LOL...we will see how he handles it--i have done this sooo many times at home--is how i live lol...but he is a mooring virgin........i believe he will write chapter 2 on a separate thread------could be some humor in this one........
You have the helm? He shouldn't have any problem. if he can move faster than a snail . lol you can't hold the boat there forever. lol
Anybody wanna make book on how many passes it takes? lol ;)
 
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