A weekend of boating incompetence...

Jan 1, 2006
7,471
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
The waterways around here are, I think, less crowded than they were 20 years ago, and they are more dangerous. I was stunned today by the ineptitude of the boating pubic and the utter inconsideration of those operating boats. I guess I've been isolated in my home waters, which don't attract large numbers of M/V's. It was an awakening. First, there are many more large yachts than when I last stuck my head up. Really big owner operated yachts and they are a problem. They simple don't know, and don't have any respect for the traditions and rules of operating a vessel. Coregs? Pah-lease? I have this boat and you have to yield to me. Slow down in order not to swamp seven fisherman in a Jon Boat? Fogetaboutit. Pass a sailboat on the side that improves their progress, not impede it. What! And take off the autopilot? But what got me going today was a visit to an anchorage I've frequented for 20+ years - West Neck Harbor in Shelter Island waters. It used to be that you had to get there by early afternoon or accept a sub par spot or even be kicked out by the local police. Today, on the best weather weekend we've had this summer, there was plenty of room. Fewer boats. There were the small boats which are day trippers and don't take up much room - because they are 20' or less. And there are the big boats. 40+ feet and up. They seemed to want to anchor in front of me as a rule. My first reason to look up from my book was the dreaded roar of the bow thruster. I'be posted before and stick by my assessment that the bow thruster roar is the signature of the incompetent boat operator. And that was proven correct today -several times. One guy was doing 360's with the thruster - I was hoping the motor would burn out. He anchored at least three times, one just over my anchor when there was plenty of room for his own space. This was a nice yacht, probably built in Maine but the operator had no idea how to handle it. He actually tried to anchor crosswise to the wind - twice.
Each rendition had him speeding away - OK maybe five knots - but there was no reason to do any more than - what we all know how to do. And later, a 60 Italian sleektress approaches and I knew where he was going. Yup. Too close to ahead of me. He's operating his toy from the bow with his remote control. Which was sorta cool, but he wasn't doing that good. The evidence? At least 30 seconds of bow thruster. When he hit forward the very powerful engines put out a wash that almost swamped his inflatable- well RIB . He anchored and was too close and he knew it. He tried again and didn't do any better. These were only two. There were at least another two large, very powerful (Four 350 Outboards) that did more of less the same thing. If these guys can afford $80,000 of engine, they should be able to afford a captain to shoe them the ropes. Rant sorta over - I'm not over it yet.
 
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DArcy

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Feb 11, 2017
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Islander Freeport 36 Ottawa
Sometimes you have to wonder why they are even out there. Hopefully no one got hurt.
 
Mar 26, 2011
3,677
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
Once a large boat anchored so close beside me that the crew had to stay on board and use the thrusters for nearly an hour to avoid swinging into me, while the owners lingered over dinner ashore. We sat in the salon (good view on a cat), snacking and nibbling the end of our dinner and enjoying the show.

It then took them 15 minutes to load the dinghy, and they never did succeed in getting the anchor in the roller (it kept coming up backwards because they were moving forward!). They left with it still hanging.

Quite entertaining.
 

capta

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Jun 4, 2009
4,907
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
We pretty much have to stand an anchor watch (to watch out for OTHER boats anchoring) every single evening during the season down here. It is amazing how some people can think their bareboat or private yacht will fit into the space they are trying to anchor in. We do have a nice bronze, pike style boat hook which we bring out as they swing close while anchoring, and that does dissuade many and they pick up and go away, without a word being exchanged.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
You have to stand on deck with your hands on your hips, staring a hole through the skipper...just like mom used to do when she had her suspicions regarding your behavior!
 

pateco

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Aug 12, 2014
2,207
Hunter 31 (1983) Pompano Beach FL
In S Florida, it tends to be the Sea Ray owners with anchors too small to hold their boats in a 10 knot breeze, and no idea how to actually skipper their boats. There are whole threads in local boating forums trashing these guys.

Here is a quote from one that about summs it up for me. Trashing SeaRay and SR Owners. Why?

BlackFox;8483211 said:
My experience with SeaRay owners is that they're people who said "oh look - a pretty boat" and never got past that. They never research seaworthiness, resale, mechanical soundness, etc. If they did, they'd probably get something else. Every boat and boatmaker have weaknesses, but SeaRay's challenges are pretty material. But they sure look good!

The owner's ideas about running the boat are often naïve as well. They don't take classes, research, practice or approach things logically - because that's not what they did when they bought their boat either. That's not the kind of person they are. As a result, the average SeaRay pilot often isn't a poster child for a competent owner/captain. Are there exceptions? Of course.
 
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Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
Chip;
Last trip I took on a 28’ SeaRay was with a buddy who wanted to show me how he had become a boater. Proceeded to careen down the middle of Sarasota Bay on the wrong side of the nav markers at 35kts. We arrived at the day anchorage where he tossed his chromed anchor off the bow and returned to adjusting his 16 speaker sound system for the benefit of nearby homes. I slipped off his styled swim platform devoid of non-skid and found myself under the boat as it dragged downwind. On the way back to the boat hotel I turned on his vestigial chartplotter and pointed out some great features, whereupon he demanded that I turn the damn thing off, he didn’t need any navigation assistance. I have felt safer with bullets flying over my head.
 

WayneH

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Jan 22, 2008
1,089
Tartan 37 287 Pensacola, FL
Back in 2012, I was on Bainbridge Ferry when it was t-boned by a powerboat. Large yacht on autopilot, no one on the bridge until after the boat was spun 90° and then he was mad at the ferry for hitting him!
 

SG

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Feb 11, 2017
1,670
J/Boat J/160 Annapolis
Well, we had a nice sail in what was forecast as 5 knots that really was 11-14 knots of wind. Everyone seemed to sailing or driving their boats in accord with the Colregs. Only a couple of passes a bit closer than I'd like, but no risk of collision. I even "ducked" a boat that was going wing-and-wing without a pole. We had the right-of-way over -- he just would have had to jibe the main.

We've all had our observations of bad behavior. Some of those observations concentrated in one day to apparently intolerable levels. I didn't think shemandr's post was a rant. He just was recalling those "moments" ;^)))
 
Jan 1, 2006
7,471
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
Actually my point was that there are fewer but larger and more dangerous yacht operators out there.
 
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FDL S2

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Jun 29, 2014
479
S2 7.3 Fond du Lac
So the posts about collisions and near misses have made me hyper aware the last few times I've gone out so I remember this with some detail.
I was coming into the harbor yesterday under power about 200yds from the bouys crossing at a right angle from port to get to the starboard side to enter the harbor, a catamaran powerboat with twin inboards was at the mouth of the harbor on the port side - so 300yds from me - I crossed all the way over to the starboard side and lined up to come in. A small cabin cruiser riding bow up at about 15knts - that I had kept an eye on because he was to my portside stern - came into the bouys on a diagonal from port and cut about 10 yards in front of the catamaran to get in front of me. As I was passing the speed boat (he was about 20ft away from me) the driver looked at me, smiled, gestured to the cabin cruiser and said "can you believe that guy?" A high powered speedboat guy and a slow sailboat guy bonded for a moment...
BTW It was a great sail! Winds about 15 gusting to 20, full main and 100% jib. We were getting close to hull speed with my 20 yr old sails-after I tightened up the jib halyard (crew didn't crank it tight when we hoisted it).
 
Oct 30, 2017
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Caliber 40 LRC Lake Pueblo
my favorite are the ones towing some sort of raft/wake boarder/inflatable couch that are trying to throw them off. They always seem to cut across my bow and cut across closely.
2 times this year I have had to take evasive action to avoid running over someone who fell off as they cut right in front of me.

The last time I yelled at the parents, "Don't worry, I'll look after the safety of your kid!!! Since you won't!!!"
I just got a dumb stare back.
 
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Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Chip, do IRC that was the Oakland CA estuary? If not, the estuary has a relatively new-ish bulkhead just like that. New-ish in that I sailed out of there from 1983 to 2016 and it was built in maybe 2010 or so.

Re: SeaRays. Like all generalizations, it, of course, isn't always true, but I've heard those stories, too. Thanks for letting us know that even powerboat forums have their POVs about certain consistencies.

That said, I have a good friend who had a SeaRay 34, who had his boat docked across from me for many years back when I lived in SF. We always got to chatting when we each returned to our slips, and became friends. When I broke my leg skiing in 2009, when I was first able to even get down to my boat after 3 months (!:)) he took me out on his boat for a delightful afternoon because he knew I couldn't yet sail, and could use a mental "fix" with a nice boating day. I later took him out for an overnight on our boat to my favorite anchorage at the north tower of the GG Bridge. We had some great chats about this very subject. One thing he taught me was that most powerboaters have NO clue about how sailboats work, and think the "rag heads" keep turning because they want to get in the powerboater's way!!! True.

He said he finally did some studying and finally figured it out. He also said most of his power boat friends were clueless.

He was a true "professional" recreational boater, like many of us here. I find a distinct correlation between folks who are active on boating forums, whether contributors or just lurkers. I wonder if this is true for power boat forums, too (I've never read one). Maybe it's because to contribute to a forum means you can read!:)

Just for grins & giggles, his name: Jim Racy. Really. :)

One of the fine things that come out of these discussions about how to conduct oneself on the water is that it heightens awareness. That's a very, very good thing.

In SF, most sailboats didn't have the powerboat experiences that many of you have shared who live in other places. One of the reasons is that because of the winds on SF Bay, the powerboaters either leave early before the winds come up or don't go out at all. Here in my new haunts, there are more motor vessels than sails. I was taught early on by my new friends here to assume that every single one of them is on autopilot and are not looking out and to deal with ALL OF THEM as if that were true. In only my second season here, I have found that to be true, and it has saved my bacon more than once. Sometimes more than once in any given day! :)
 
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Aug 12, 2014
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Chip, do IRC that was the Oakland CA estuary? If not, the estuary has a relatively new-ish bulkhead just like that. New-ish in that I sailed out of there from 1983 to 2016 and it was built in maybe 2010 or so.

Re: SeaRays. Like all generalizations, it, of course, isn't always true, but I've heard those stories, too. Thanks for letting us know that even powerboat forums have their POVs about certain consistencies.

That said, I have a good friend who had a SeaRay 34, who had his boat docked across from me for many years back when I lived in SF. We always got to chatting when we each returned to our slips, and became friends. When I broke my leg skiing in 2009, when I was first able to even get down to my boat after 3 months (!:)) he took me out on his boat for a delightful afternoon because he knew I couldn't yet sail, and could use a mental "fix" with a nice boating day. I later took him out for an overnight on our boat to my favorite anchorage at the north tower of the GG Bridge. We had some great chats about this very subject. One thing he taught me was that most powerboaters have NO clue about how sailboats work, and think the "rag heads" keep turning because they want to get in the powerboater's way!!! True.

He said he finally did some studying and finally figured it out. He also said most of his power boat friends were clueless.

He was a true "professional" recreational boater, like many of us here. I find a distinct correlation between folks who are active on boating forums, whether contributors or just lurkers. I wonder if this is true for power boat forums, too (I've never read one). Maybe it's because to contribute to a forum means you can read!:)

Just for grins & giggles, his name: Jim Racy. Really. :)

One of the fine things that come out of these discussions about how to conduct oneself on the water is that it heightens awareness. That's a very, very good thing.

In SF, most sailboats didn't have the powerboat experiences that many of you have shared who live in other places. One of the reasons is that because of the winds on SF Bay, the powerboaters either leave early before the winds come up or don't go out at all. Here in my new haunts, there are more motor vessels than sails. I was taught early on by my new friends here to assume that every single one of them is on autopilot and are not looking out and to deal with ALL OF THEM as if that were true. In only my second season here, I have found that to be true, and it has saved my bacon more than once. Sometimes more than once in any given day! :)
I agree, this is a stereotype, and not all Sea Ray owners are idiots. But stereotypes happen for a reason.

We just need to ensure the stereotypical sailor remains that of a relaxed and charming party animal that can fix anything, and sails with great skill at all times.:biggrin:
 
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I have more trouble out of center console fishing boats than anything else.

You can’t catch a fish without at least three motors..
 
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WayneH

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Jan 22, 2008
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Tartan 37 287 Pensacola, FL
I have more trouble out of center console fishing boats than anything else.

You can’t catch a fish without at least three motors..
You see this on the lakes, too. Cuz those 70MPH Big Mouth Bass might get away so you have to have a 90MPH bass boat. :stir: