Is a crash landing ever 'normal'?

LuzSD

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Feb 21, 2009
1,009
Catalina 30 San Diego/ Dana Point, Ca.
There is a 30 Ft older power boat in the slip across from us, we share the walkway. We’ve been noticing that boat for the past few months…never see people on it but the boat is tied right up to the end of the slip so that it extends about 3 ft. into the walkway directly across from our boat, long pulpit and anchor attached as well. If you are not careful you will slam into it somewhere between face and chest height, depending on how tall you are.

Yesterday, Labor Day, there were people on board seemingly enjoying themselves, drinks in hand… possibly a family with friends. 8+ people all together. Presuming the skipper was the owner and father of at least some on board.

Prior to us going out I heard a conversation with someone about the bow being a problem and later found out that another dockmate was speaking to my husband about the frustrating bow. They evidently did speak to the owner and requested he back the boat off the dock properly and he agreed to do so when they returned from a few laps around the harbor. Since the boat had not been out for quite some time, we were first curious if it would even start. It did and they took off, most with drinks in hand.

As they approached to return 45 minutes later, I noted how fast they were approaching. Turning into their dock, they still seemed to have too much speed but at about 1 slip away, it seemed better. But as he turned into the slip he got it sideways and first hit the port side of their slip, bounced a little and then hit the starboard side, all the while with too much speed. I jumped out of our cockpit and ran over to try to fend off for them as they came to the end of their slip with a crash. I was going to grab a dockline or help where I could but was greeted with anger from the skipper who ‘thanked me for jumping out of my boat to help but that is what the dock is for and that’s the way he stops…” My reaction was honest and I just looked up in (most likely) amazement and I said something like “Really? You crash land to stop the boat?” He basically replied again that the dock was there for that reason and I am sure I replied, but no idea what I said. Again he made a comment about the fact that I jumped out of my boat to help but did not call it help! He clearly was not happy that I got involved. I went back to my boat and our friends there, and we were shocked by what we had just seen. My husband was not on the dock at the time.

Later, as they were departing, (I was down below) the man came over and spoke to my husband to tell him that I had ruined their day, and he did not appreciate my interfering. I think the main problem was that I shamed him in front of his family and or friends. I was not aware of him talking to them and did not talk to him myself, but I am left feeling bad about making him feel bad…..but really, isn’t it him who shamed himself by coming in like he did? I was thinking about leaving a note card on his boat apologizing but my husband says to leave it alone.

Last note here: I have always (10 years, multiple locations) been the driver taking our boat in and out of our slip. I enjoy the challenge of the varying conditions each time we come in. I pride myself with doing a good job and work hard at it… Over the past few years I have had trouble twice coming in. Both times a dockmate on one side or the other was there. One of them asked me if it was my first time!!! I was a little embarrassed at my performance but not upset with his question. He had never seen us return until then. Logical question albeit a bit tough!!! My point is that I think this man in my story was all about his ego, and his embarrassment was a result of his own actions, not my reaction. Would an apology card help?
 
Feb 3, 2015
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Marlow Hunter 37 Reefpoint Marina Racine, WI
Let sleeping dogs lie and hope to high heaven it doesn't go out for a very long time again. Total and complete incompetence on his part and you have nothing to apologize or feel badly about.
 
Aug 17, 2013
1,306
Pearson P30 202 Ottawa
I dont think you need to apologize for trying to be helpful, he needs to learn to dock his boat properly, but if his ego won't let him learn, then I'd speak to the club president or commodore to inform him about that man's procedures, if anything he'll drive up the prices
 

LuzSD

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Feb 21, 2009
1,009
Catalina 30 San Diego/ Dana Point, Ca.
This marina is not connected to the yacht clubs in the area. He was quite aggressive so I would not want to escalate this situation. His talking to my husband and the other couple in our cockpit left us all feeling amazed and somewhat upset. I can't seem to let this go though my reaction is the same I would have anytime I see someone having trouble. I will rethink that from now on though.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
  1. Don't put yourself in the position of fending off a boat not under the control of the skipper. Stand clear, you can't fend off a 30' motorboat, but you can get hurt trying.
  2. Policing the marina is the marina's job. If the guy is running into the dock he represents a liability to the marina ownership. Report him to the manager.
  3. You are there to have fun, sounds like you are not having enough fun. Ignore the guy.
 
Oct 1, 2007
1,865
Boston Whaler Super Sport Pt. Judith
  1. Don't put yourself in the position of fending off a boat not under the control of the skipper. Stand clear, you can't fend off a 30' motorboat, but you can get hurt trying.
  2. Policing the marina is the marina's job. If the guy is running into the dock he represents a liability to the marina ownership. Report him to the manager.
  3. You are there to have fun, sounds like you are not having enough fun. Ignore the guy.
I agree. Helping people dock is always a bit of a difficult thing. Some folks have their routine down and actually don't want or need help. "Help" can actually screw up their landing, even with the best of intentions. If there is a breeze and I know folks will be struggling to tie up, I will walk over and stand by to see if they need/want help, and do so if requested. With no wind I usually don't go over at all. Personally, I prefer no help unless the conditions are really challenging. We have our procedure well rehearsed and actually "brief the approach"on the way in, as in aviation. :)
 
Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
To answer your post question, yes, a crash landing is normal. That is, for someone who knows not what they are doing. By the way, did he ever line up correctly so his bow was not extending over the walk way? And, mention to the dock master about how he could very well damage the docks by his landing technique.
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,925
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Gheeesh
I have always been taught to stand ready to help catch a line or whatever

ANYTIME you see a boat coming in. And from experience, I think most boaters think the same way.

But people can behave poorly when drinking. Let it go
 
Dec 28, 2010
462
Catalina 380 san pedro
Several times I have called out to someone that is attempting to enter their slip in difficult conditions (wind etc.) "do you want some help there?" or.."everything ok?" Many times the answer has been" can you grab a line" or " You sure can"...other times it's been " no we have everything under control" ..funny thing is...it's always followed by a "thank you" whether or not we helped or not. And I have not been shy about accepting help or asking for help either. Sounds like the guy was a jerk and the best thing you can do is fuhgetaboutit.
 
Mar 1, 2012
2,182
1961 Rhodes Meridian 25 Texas coast
  1. Don't put yourself in the position of fending off a boat not under the control of the skipper. Stand clear, you can't fend off a 30' motorboat, but you can get hurt trying.
For sure. I did that on a delivery to Puerto Moreles a few years ago. Tried to keep a 41 footer from crunching the dock. I flew out of Cancun, through Dallas, and then Corpus using a wheel chair. They had a it waiting at each airport. And I still have problems. DON'T DO IT!! - Stick a fender in, or let it crunch. Easier to fix a boat than a back.
 
Jan 18, 2016
782
Catalina 387 Dana Point
I'll always help if I can, often will ask "Can I help you out" - Saved my neighbor's boat from surefire damage a few times. Sometimes folks get embarassed, or have had a few too many. Or whatever.

Not gonna name names or anything out in the open here, but this didn't happen to be H dock did it?
 

LuzSD

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Feb 21, 2009
1,009
Catalina 30 San Diego/ Dana Point, Ca.
Not gonna name names or anything out in the open here, but this didn't happen to be H dock did it?[/QUOTE]
ha ha, someone lurking nearby .....cool!!
actually you are close but no, G dock, the west side.. But when we were on I dock there was some incredible drama on H dock and we never saw that boat go out again! I think its just too traumatic for some people to bit the bullet and practice.
 
May 17, 2004
6,148
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
The guy's reaction, whether driven by the drinks or an oversized ego, is not normal. Docking by running into things is not the preferred procedure. To me, lending a hand to someone docking is neighborly, although it is best to ask first as some skippers prefer their own routines and don't want the distraction of someone doing unpredictable things. If I have inexperienced crew on deck I'll prefer some dockhands. With experienced crew I'd rather do without dockhands. Even if the helpers are experienced, if I don't know their qualifications I'll be watching them rather than my own steps.
 

Kermit

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Jul 31, 2010
5,722
AquaCat 12.5 17342 Wateree Lake, SC
Sounds like it must be the same guy who is harassing the racers from another thread. Gotta be the same guy.
Now, I honestly believe he's trying to cover his embarrassment by doing his best to make you look bad. I think you were being quite helpful. You're welcome to offer assistance to me anytime. I may say no thank you but I'll appreciate the offer.
 
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LuzSD

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Feb 21, 2009
1,009
Catalina 30 San Diego/ Dana Point, Ca.
We do tend to hang back because most people (myself included) even if not perfect, don't need assistance. I get the discomfort of it all but remember, he was going too fast, put the boat SIDEWAYS at the same time trying to stuff it in the slip so it wasn't like he was comfortable. I honestly thought they NEEDED some help, and immediately! Otherwise I would have just keep my eye on them to make sure they were ok. The young man up at the bow seemed relieved to see me.....not so of dad.

Brian, that was the first thing I looked at when we were leaving, totally expecting to find it 3+1/2 feet hanging over but it was tied up as it should have been.
Truthfully, I am a little scared/nervous about calling attention to this man or his boat from now on. I don't need that bad feeling in my stomach when we go down to our happy place. I will be pleasant if I see him, but we will stay our normal quiet selves on our own boat. I just thought maybe I could defuse the situation with a note, but will just let it lie.
 
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SFS

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Aug 18, 2015
2,091
Currently Boatless Okinawa
Well, letting it lie with respect to the man is the correct procedure, but I think you have an obligation to let the marina people know, or you will end up paying higher rates when he does (more) damage. I can understand fear of repercussion, so report him by phone anonymously. Use someone else's phone, and make it clear that you were an eyewitness, but are calling from someone else's phone, and explain why. That alone should get someone's attention.
 
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LuzSD

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Feb 21, 2009
1,009
Catalina 30 San Diego/ Dana Point, Ca.
Not gonna name names or anything out in the open here, but this didn't happen to be H dock did it?[/QUOTE]
Jeep.......
actually you are close but no, G dock, the west side of the Dock, Island side, East basin..
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,244
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
you can't fix stupid....so don't let it bother you 1 iota.....just because he is inadequate don't let him project his weaknesses on you ....after reading your statement about this it seems to me you were too good for your own good.....kick him under the bus of people you just simply can't help.....
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,637
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
My point is that I think this man in my story was all about his ego, and his embarrassment was a result of his own actions, not my reaction.
What you describe is the standard operating procedure .................. for at least 75% of the power boaters in our marina. Neither I, nor any other sailboater I have discussed this with would offer a hand to a powerboater unless asked to do so. Then they have our full attention.

I apologize if this sounds particularly harsh, but we've had it with these credit card captains around here. They are rude, all knowing, arrogant, and entitled, until you see them in action. An accident waiting to happen. It's unbelievable what we see around the marina and then they go out and need rescuing by our Coast Guard.

Just ignore powerboaters when you see them. It's simpler that way.
 
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