what's a good analogy for reefing?

Jul 7, 2004
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Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
I'm trying to explain why we reef or reduce sail in heavier wind to non-sailors. I'm more automotive oriented and use a 6cyl vs. a V8 analogy or a 2barrel vs. a 4 barrel carb to explain reducing power. But often, especially kids don't even know what a carb is. Is there a better explanation than this that you use to explain depowering your boat?
We're hoping to get the teens from church out on the water for a few hours before school starts up in the Fall.
 
Nov 8, 2010
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Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Clothes.

You dressed for 60 degrees. Somehow it ends up 80F and you're too warm, So you take off your jacket and tie it around your waist. You cool, feel better and perform better, but you can put it back on if the temp drops.

There really isn't a good automotive analogy. The clothes one is work on many levels. Like, 'You COULD leave you jacket on, and some guys will because they think it looks better, but for sure you'll feel better with it off!' ;^)
 
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Oct 26, 2008
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Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
Why does it need an anology? Higher wind, smaller sail. It's a pretty simple concept. Trying to relate it to something else is probably just confusing. I'd look at you cross-eyed, too, if you were trying to relate it to car parts! :banghead:
 
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Jul 7, 2004
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Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
I like the clothes comparison. Especially since several girls are in the group. It's more straightforward than trying to use another 'power' analogy.
"Higher wind, smaller sail" is a simple concept to sailors, but someone with a fraction of curiosity, especially future engineering students, will want to understand why.
 
Oct 26, 2008
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Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
More surface area, more pressure for the engineering students. I don't know how it can get any simpler. Even the clothing analogy is too far removed in my mind. I'm pretty much a simpleton ... I would be asking something like ... "so I'm supposed to put a jacket on when the wind blows stronger? or take the jacket off? This is confusing!" Again, why does it need to be related to something else? Anybody who has ever been out in the wind can pretty much relate to wind pressure on an object. Just handling a small tarp versus a large tarp when the wind is blowing is pretty much instinct.
 
Jul 7, 2004
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Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
I see your point Scott. Maybe it doesn't need explaining. We were taught in basic sailing that sheets were kind of like the gas pedal as you bring the sail closer or further around the correct angle of attack. Sail size is another facet of potential power.
 

kito

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I would think anyone could understand that the bigger the sail, the more power. It's like holding a king size bedsheet in the wind compared to a handkerchief.
 
Oct 26, 2008
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Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
I think analogies work well when trying to make a more complicated topic simple, but not so much when the concept is simple to begin with. Then the analogy is in danger of being more complicated than the concept itself. I agree with Stu, that Don's charts are probably the best thing to have on hand for your purpose. BTW, Don's description for the use of the traveler and his analogy to a screen door works well for me. That's because it is a visual reference, which is what I need. But his references to sheets and shifting gears (or stepping on the gas) doesn't work for me, probably because it is more conceptual than visual.
I think that analogies work only when the audience can relate to it and it is difficult for "one size fits all" references. For instance, even though I know what a carburetor is (sort of) and I know that a 4-barrel is what gearheads usually like for obvious reasons, I wouldn't recognize a 4-barrel from just about any other carburetor that came off my dad's station wagon, I certainly don't visualize gasoline flowing through the carburetor, and I wouldn't have the foggiest idea how to relate it to wind. That's because I respond to visual references much better than conceptual references. That's the problem, people relate in so many different ways.
 
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Nov 8, 2010
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Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Why does it need an anology? Higher wind, smaller sail. It's a pretty simple concept. Trying to relate it to something else is probably just confusing. I'd look at you cross-eyed, too, if you were trying to relate it to car parts! :banghead:
Analogies are a time-honored teaching method to create a deeper understanding about new concepts. It allows someone to relate something they know to something new. I don't see that the big deal is; the teacher mentions it; some will get something out of it, some not. Its how you teach. Everyone learns differently.

Plus 'higher wind smaller sail' is not totally true.

A good part of the clothes/weather analogy it is reinforces the notion that too much of something can be a bad thing. True in sailing, true in temp/clothes, very rare in cars! ;^)
 
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Jul 7, 2004
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Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
Thanks jackdaw. That's why I tend to use them. Scott's comment is important too. Don't explain a concept with another concept your 'student' can't relate to. " I respond to visual references much better than conceptual references."
 
Jul 7, 2004
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Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
Reefing = fear of rolling over protection plan
;) Even though the Hunter is a much more stable boat than the Mac 26S was, I think I'll still have to reef more often to get the admiral out on breezy days.
 
Oct 26, 2008
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Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
My comments are just food for thought. I think it is great that you are thinking about ways to get these kids interested in sailing and it is fantastic that you are contributing your efforts! I also agree that there are many different ways to relate the topics. You certainly can't know what works the best without trying out a bunch of ways which may not work the best. Trial and error is probably my favorite technique ... especially the error part :eek:.
Jacktar ... love it! (it's visual!)
 
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Jul 27, 2011
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So, one reason for reefing is to reduce the heeling force on the boat. Effectively, to lower its "center of gravity" (remember, this is an analogy). People (and animals) instinctively do this when then they squat (i.e., hunker) down to maintain upright balance against some force, sometimes even the wind itself. Under higher wind pressure, one squats down the boat by reefing to help it maintain its upright (relative) attitude, etc. (Of course, you run the risk of some joker out there saying that analogies don't mean squat!:laugh:)
 
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Jul 7, 2004
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Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
Good comment KG. We used to call that making a smaller target in the Marines. Our mast extends 50' over the water and the main catches a lot of wind.
 
Oct 1, 2015
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Clark San Juan 30 Blaine WA
It would be like driving a Winnebago to a sports cars. wind hits that big as Rv and it feel's like it is going to tip over. Then you switch to a sports car and you don't really feel it Reefing is the Same difference. When you have 200 square feet of cloth held on to a Mast in the center of your boat it tends to want to tip it over just as the rv would feel when you reef it down it feels like a Sports car and it wont tip over. I hope that works for you
 

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Jun 7, 2004
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Justin, maybe explain it as an analogy to a brake pedal on a car.....slows it down....brings the car or boat under the driver's/sailor's control....in my experience, if it seems to be windy enough that I am hesitant to go out sailing, I reef the sail (s)....If I am driving too fast I use the brake to control the car, I slow it down and again, bring the car, aka the boat under control. Patrick
 
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Nov 26, 2012
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I tend to view the versitility of reefing and trim as the variable torque concepts involved for driving the sailboat. I taught many years. Chief
 

Johnb

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Jan 22, 2008
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I am with Scott - how can you further simplify the concept that if the wind is causing too much force you reduce the size of the object catching the wind.

Adding mast bending, sail flattening etc can come later.