Great Lakes and Hypothermia

Aug 20, 2010
1,399
Oday 27 Oak Orchard
Here is a topic that might prove useful to those of us sailing the Inland Fresh Water Sea. While we enjoy the benefits associated with sailing fresh water where the salt doesn't cause us it's problems, one issue we have is the specter of frigid water. With this year's record breaking low temperatures it is no secret we will be dealing with very cold water this spring when we finally get to launch our boats. This means the water temps will be remaining cold long into our season. What are some of the ways we will be staying safe and what preparations will we employ in the event we experience the horror of a man or woman overboard? Remember survival is measured in minutes with the water temperature we will experience this year.
 
Aug 1, 2013
61
Hunter 240 Muskegon, MI
Given that we live in Muskegon, I think keeping it in Muskegon Lake during the earliest part of the season will probably be one thing we will be doing. Otherwise, at least here, the water is always warmer in Lake Michigan when we have had a consistent west wind for a few days, so avoiding the big lake when an east wind kicks up is a good idea if you want to stay warm.

That all being said, though we normally have everyone on the boat wear life jackets, we definitely do so when we are in Lake Michigan. That way if you do manage to fall off the boat, you have something other than your own paddling to keep you afloat while we turn around to go get you.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Remember survival is measured in minutes with the water temperature we will experience this year.
Indeed, a reality 90% of the time on Lake Superior. There have been times mid-season that I have voluntarily gone in, and the water was so cold you can't breathe. Standing life-jacket orders in place until some time in July. Assuming the ice is out by then, of course.
 
Aug 20, 2010
1,399
Oday 27 Oak Orchard
Good points Jackdaw. Been up on Michigan and Huron in the early season and I can attest it is plenty chilly especially as the sun sets. I like to wear foulies as the wind chill can be incapacitating when on deck without a dodger. The foulies help keep deep core temperature from dropping. I also insist on harnesses and tethers while out of the cockpit to reduce any recovery time. I wonder how many of us have survival suits or liferafts at the ready? I also saw an interesting article in US sailing on recovery techniques for recovering an individual in the water. I also remember the boom as a crane using the main halyard to lift an unconscious person from the water.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
I also saw an interesting article in US sailing on recovery techniques for recovering an individual in the water. I also remember the boom as a crane using the main halyard to lift an unconscious person from the water.
I just got back from the USsailing Safety At Sea seminar held at the Sad Diego Yacht Club. The current best practice is to use a spinnaker halyard. It is high enough that the person is lifted straight up. The main halyard is interesting but is assumes that main is down. Quite often its left up and left to luff during a quick-stop.

Many people (ladies, kids, etc) will have a very hard time lifting dead weight with the halyard on a smaller cabintop winch. Ours is electric, but its a good practice to make sure your halyard can get back to a primary winch for more leverage.
 
Feb 21, 2010
347
Beneteau 31 016 St-Lawrence river
When it gets really cold!

Sailing in the lower St-Lawrence past Tadoussac where the Labrador current keeps the water temp at or below 4°C (about 40°F) year round, it is advised to use safety harnesses and to be clipped on.
In water this cold your survival time is estimated at between 12 and 20 minutes. If you have a spinnaker up and someone falls overboard your retrieval time even with life preserver is at the outer limit for survival... thus the harness!
BTW you never go in voluntarily!
Pierre
 
Aug 22, 2011
1,113
MacGregor Venture V224 Cheeseland
Re: When it gets really cold!

Jackdaw would be the one to know I'm sure.

Best defense is STAY ON THE BOAT.
Practice your quick stop and/or MOB procedures
and make sure everyone knows what to do.

If single handed or on deck alone - Tether; gotta do it.
If someone goes in after dark underway and no one
knows it you're done.

Practice getting an incapacitated person back on board - its not easy.

We swim in Lake Superior but only on very hot days
and are never in for long.

Someday we will invest in immersion suits but its just outside of our budget for now.
Hopefully we won't regret that ever.
 
Nov 13, 2013
723
Catalina 34 Tacoma
Practice man overboard drills with your crew! Up here in the PNW survival time is 30min year round.
Would really suck to have one of your loved ones watch you die because they can't get the boat around.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
All true guys, job one is staying on the boat. when job one is a fail, job two is getting the person out of the water ASAP.

Last year during a race on Lake Minnetonka in November on our small boat, a 20-footer that was also sailing capsized and dumped the solo sailor into the 45 degree water. We got back to him and got him out, but he was so cold that he needed us to pull him up over the transom as he was too weak to help himself. One of our crew that day documented the whole deal in his blog.

http://danssailingblog.blogspot.com/2012/11/last-sail-of-season.html

If we had not been there I don't think he would have survived. As sailors we all develop a healthy respect for water in general, but cold water is its own animal.
 
Dec 1, 2013
76
Hunter 81 H22 and 86 Legend 37 H22 Lake Superior, Legend 37 headed for the Caribbean
With this year's record breaking low temperatures it is no secret we will be dealing with very cold water this spring when we finally get to launch our boats. This means the water temps will be remaining cold long into our season
While the shallower Great Lakes might be affected to more of a degree, an extremely cold winter has little to no effect on the temperature of Lake Superior. It merely freezes the top over and prevents water loss off the lake thru the winter due to evaporation.

After ice-out Superior's waters around the islands and northern Wisconsin bays will warm up as usual. Lake Superior is too deep and too big to be affected much by a cold winter. Once you get past the Apostles and out to sea in the open lake, Superior ranks as one of the most dangerous bodies of water on earth for sailors, even in the middle of summer. The lake can never be trusted because her waves are violent compared what you get with ocean waves in a storm. When venturing out across the open lake towards the Canadian North Shore, even in summer, we rig our boat with jacklines and never go on the deck without our harnesses clipped on, and wear our survival suits until we reach sight of land again. It's not particularly warm out on the open lake even on a hot day. And at night you will freeze your posterior off out there. So wearing the suits actually helps making sailing comfortable out there on a cross-lake passage.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
While the shallower Great Lakes might be affected to more of a degree, an extremely cold winter has little to no effect on the temperature of Lake Superior. It merely freezes the top over and prevents water loss off the lake thru the winter due to evaporation.

After ice-out Superior's waters around the islands and northern Wisconsin bays will warm up as usual. Lake Superior is too deep and too big to be affected much by a cold winter. Once you get past the Apostles and out to sea in the open lake, Superior ranks as one of the most dangerous bodies of water on earth for sailors, even in the middle of summer. The lake can never be trusted because her waves are violent compared what you get with ocean waves in a storm. When venturing out across the open lake towards the Canadian North Shore, even in summer, we rig our boat with jacklines and never go on the deck without our harnesses clipped on, and wear our survival suits until we reach sight of land again. It's not particularly warm out on the open lake even on a hot day. And at night you will freeze your posterior off out there. So wearing the suits actually helps making sailing comfortable out there on a cross-lake passage.
There is some truth to this. The VAST majority of the lake stays near 39 degrees. But people rarely feel that, as it is from say 10 feet to the bottom. The reality is that for any given day, the temperature of the top few feet of Lake Superior can vary greatly year over year, and it is a function of both winter air/water temps, ice out date, and spring air temps.

Here is a graph of Lake Superior surface temps for the last 5 years. Notice the wide range (over 20 degrees F) between 2009 and 2012 in the early summer as the lake changes. By fall the temps are back into a tight range.



It is interesting to note that the smallest and shallowest of the great lakes (Erie)has the SMALLEST variances in water temperature.

 
Aug 20, 2010
1,399
Oday 27 Oak Orchard
These are some very sobering thoughts on this subject. Thanks for the graphs Jackdaw. The shift of the surface temps on the warm up to the later months for Superior are and interesting phenomenon. I also note the season lag that occurs but the overall lower surface temperature. Speaking of sober, while we often joke of spiritous libations the fact remains this not only clouds judgement but can contribute to hypothermia. While I personally don't imbibe while underway it might be another tip to reserve the festivities for dockside or the club. How many sail in company during the early season? This is one area the racers have an advantage. Sailing with other boats offers the unfortunate virtually immediate assistance should an overboard or sinking occur.
 
Dec 1, 2013
76
Hunter 81 H22 and 86 Legend 37 H22 Lake Superior, Legend 37 headed for the Caribbean
Here is a graph of Lake Superior surface temps for the last 5 years. Notice the wide range (over 20 degrees F) between 2009 and 2012 in the early summer as the lake changes.
Yes, but it takes time. Been sailing and fishing Lake Superior for 32 years and I have yet to see where you can get any drastic change in a matter of one year.

We've seen surface temps at 50-53 around the Apostles in July and August. Go in a straight line up to the Slate Islands in Canadian waters and out in the middle of the lake it's 40-42. So it greatly depends on where you're sailing. If you stick to the bays and in the roughly 750 square miles of protected waters around the Apostles, you'll see little difference from last year even though those areas are the first to freeze and freeze the hardest during the winter.

The ice actually protects the lake and insulates it from severe weather extremes above.

Both 2011 and 2012 were very hot summers with mild winters in the Lake Superior Basin. So we saw some gradual rise, which is totally normal. 2013 was much cooler in the Basin thru the summer, with now a more normal winter where folks are able to walk out to the sea caves on the ice this year. Folks haven't been able to do that for the last 5 years because of abnormally mild winters. But to get a wide swing from one year to the next is how they say, "damn near impossible". At least I've never seen it in three decades of Lake Superior fishing.

That lake is too big and too deep to change overnight, or over winter. She contains more water than the rest of the Great Lakes combined. The summer temps are what changes it the most over time. Winter has very little to do with it.

What's going to be affected this coming spring and early summer is the rivers that drain from the Great Lakes. Superior isn't losing much of her water this year due to freeze-over and the snowfall in her watershed has exceeded anything seen since the 1930's. There's going to be some SERIOUS flow on the southern rivers this year.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Yes, but it takes time. Been sailing and fishing Lake Superior for 32 years and I have yet to see where you can get any drastic change in a matter of one year.

We've seen surface temps at 50-53 around the Apostles in July and August. Go in a straight line up to the Slate Islands in Canadian waters and out in the middle of the lake it's 40-42. So it greatly depends on where you're sailing. If you stick to the bays and in the roughly 750 square miles of protected waters around the Apostles, you'll see little difference from last year even though those areas are the first to freeze and freeze the hardest during the winter.

The ice actually protects the lake and insulates it from severe weather extremes above.

Both 2011 and 2012 were very hot summers with mild winters in the Lake Superior Basin. So we saw some gradual rise, which is totally normal. 2013 was much cooler in the Basin thru the summer, with now a more normal winter where folks are able to walk out to the sea caves on the ice this year. Folks haven't been able to do that for the last 5 years because of abnormally mild winters. But to get a wide swing from one year to the next is how they say, "damn near impossible". At least I've never seen it in three decades of Lake Superior fishing.

That lake is too big and too deep to change overnight, or over winter. She contains more water than the rest of the Great Lakes combined. The summer temps are what changes it the most over time. Winter has very little to do with it.

What's going to be affected this coming spring and early summer is the rivers that drain from the Great Lakes. Superior isn't losing much of her water this year due to freeze-over and the snowfall in her watershed has exceeded anything seen since the 1930's. There's going to be some SERIOUS flow on the southern rivers this year.
Huh. Are you saying that NOAA is LYING to us about the temperature of the surface water of the lake???? ;^) Because the chart is saying the average surface temp can have a WIDE variance in the early summer.

According to the chart, on July 7th 2009 the average surface temp of Lake Superior (as measured by satellite) was 9C ((48F). I was there and the water that year was very cold. Exactly three years later on July 7th 2012, the average temp was 19C (66F). That's TWENTY degrees warmer on average for the the whole lake. And 2010 was almost as warm as 2012. In 2012 we swam off outer island in 230 feet of water for over an hour before we got bored. That same year we swam near Houghton (cooler) and at Windigo (cooler still!).

Some places will be warmer, some colder. That's how averages work. Its designed to blend in everyone's individual observations.

Of course the average the entire body of water's temp does not change that much. The surface changes but not enough to effect the mass. But that's not what we are talking about.
 
Dec 1, 2013
76
Hunter 81 H22 and 86 Legend 37 H22 Lake Superior, Legend 37 headed for the Caribbean
According to the chart, on July 7th 2009 the average surface temp of Lake Superior (as measured by satellite) was 9C ((48F).
Yeah. "According to the chart". I digress. 32 years of cruising the fishing hotspots and keeping track of water temp with a thermometer right in the water doesn't hold a candle to a government agency with satellites. Did you happen to take a good look at the NOAA Climate Prediction Center's long term "outlook" for this winter when it was hot and dry last summer? The one that predicted continuing lower than normal precipitation and warmer than normal temps for the upper Midwest? That really worked out for'em, didn't it? They're more than welcome to use my thermometer to calibrate their satellites any time they want.
 

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Aug 24, 2005
3,704
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
I would not do anything differently than I do every year when sailing early spring on Lake Ontario. Fall in and 50 degrees ain't gonna be much different than 45. Stay on the boat.
 
Dec 1, 2013
76
Hunter 81 H22 and 86 Legend 37 H22 Lake Superior, Legend 37 headed for the Caribbean
There's one thing we've never had too much of a problem with on Lake Superior - water skiers. Although there was a bunch of surfers up here a couple years ago riding the waves. It was a new fad. They left and we ain't seen 'em since.

34 year old dude on a snowmobile went thru the ice here a little over a week ago offshore from Bayfield. He got rescued but he didn't make it. Back in 88 or 89 we were about 10-12 miles out on the sleds and ran into a dude out there with a Ford 1/2 ton pickup ice fishing. We stopped and asked him if he wanted to be rescued now, or wait until that pickup goes through the ice or he gets trapped out there by a pressure ridge. He looked at us and said, "pressure ridge? What's that?" Never seen him again either.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Did you happen to take a good look at the NOAA Climate Prediction Center's long term "outlook" for this winter when it was hot and dry last summer? The one that predicted continuing lower than normal precipitation and warmer than normal temps for the upper Midwest? That really worked out for'em, didn't it? They're more than welcome to use my thermometer to calibrate their satellites any time they want.
Surely you would agree that simply reporting on what happened is easier than forecasting the future? I might do a crappy job of forecasting how much snow will fall in my yard this year, but I could do a bang-up job of simply measuring it. Sorry, but I'll take the NOAA numbers. I've been on the lake since 1977 and have seen years when you can swim, and years you can't. The surface temperature can vary greatly year over year. End of story.

One thing we DO agree on, the likelihood of wearing foulies mid-summer mid lake. Mid July, half way between Rock of Ages and Outer Island, Pia grabs some sun.

 
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Dec 1, 2013
76
Hunter 81 H22 and 86 Legend 37 H22 Lake Superior, Legend 37 headed for the Caribbean
Surely you would agree that simply reporting on what happened is easier then forecasting the future? I might do a crappy job of forecasting how much snow will fall in my yard this year, but I could do a bang-up job of simply measuring it. Sorry, but I'll take the NOAA numbers
Jackdaw, the NOAA numbers don't do me much good for fishing. I can predict the walleye spawn within a day with my thermometer. The NOAA with all their satellites can't.

All I'm saying is that I have yet to see any huge deviation from winter time ice out to spring water temps in just one season. At ice out the water temp will be 36-40 every year. The variations occur during the summer as the bays and shallows warm up. Remember a couple years ago when we had summer in March? The natural effect is that the bays start warming up earlier than they normally do. But the news outlets and scientists and NOAA made a big deal out of it and it was a classic case of Global Warming. If you believed what they said you could extrapolate that the lake would be a boiling cauldron in a matter of a year. Record high temps.

What really happened? The lake evened out. The lake does not stay stratified. It only stratifies to an extent in the summer. The lake turns over in late September and it evens out again, give or take a few degrees.

The original post indicated that we will have exceptionally cold water temps this spring at the start of the sailing season. We won't. It will be same as it has been for the last several centuries - cold, give or take a few degrees from 39F.

For recreational sailors, Superior is only safe to sail from May to the end of September when her waters are relatively placid. Superior has thoroughly kicked the butts of ocean captains with 40 years experience on the North Atlantic and sent their freighters to her depths - hundreds of them in the last century. And she claimed the only cutter the USCG has lost at sea in the last 50 years. No matter what time of year you play in her waters, she demands respect.