Be Careful Out There.....

Feb 6, 1998
11,709
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
This is an amusing read and very, very SAD read from the Transportation Safety Board of Canada. Sad because you and I are on the water with people like this....

The report sums up the findings of a 2005 collision between a Hunter 30 and an oil tanker in the St. Laurence sea way. This accident occurred after he was narrowly missed not once but TWICE and reported by two other vessels...:doh::doh::doh:

Marine Investigation Report M05L0192
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Darwin award candidate.
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,260
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
We've Got Them Also ..................

.................... just far stupider and far more deadly out here on the west coast of Canada.

The Sun Boy was a good example with four who died in Vancouver's backyard. He hit and damaged several boats in the marina next to me while on his way to this deadly rendezvous.

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/marine/1999/m99w0133/m99w0133.asp

One of our most famous incidents is where a family was sleeping in their 40' power boat in the ferry lane in the middle of Howe Sound. Occurred about three miles from my marina. The wife and twelve year old son were killed. The father then sued BC Ferries because he felt it was their fault he was such an idiot.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...m6QyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mO8FAAAAIBAJ&pg=1513,352103

I know I continuously harp about the drunken power boaters and idiots that infest the waters of our west coast. The source of this floating disaster is our Canadian Coast Guard who is committed to search and rescue only and DOES NOT enforce the rules of the water in any way. Our coastal waters here are truly the wild, wild west. Remember, if you are sailing on the southwest coast of British Columbia that YOU are the "give way" vessel at all times, under all circumstances where power boats are concerned.

Of all the *****ing and griping I've heard on this site about being boarded by the US Coastguard, be thankful, so very thankful that you have them. Responsible boaters up here would give anything to have the equivalent in our waters.
 

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BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
3,269
S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
Don't think that the situations you see in the training book are imaginary. Once I was coming into Boston Harbor thrilled to have chosen the right course to enter without a tack only to have to go about to give way to something I hadn't seen there before...a barge under tow. It was a textbook example...glad I read the text!
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
The Chesapeake Bay has a couple of hundred miles of well marked shipping channels and miles of water on each side with more than 10 feet and less than 25 feet of water. The smart boaters stay out of the channel except to cross it at right angles.
 
Dec 1, 1999
2,391
Hunter 28.5 Chesapeake Bay
Ross has it right, as usual. My way of sailing is to always assume the other boat does not see me and he has no appreciation for the rules of the road. I always get out the way early regardless of which vessel is burdened.
 

Tom J

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Sep 30, 2008
2,325
Catalina 310 Quincy, MA
We had a powerboater cross in front of our bow, just like the idiot did in the Marine Report. I had seen him almost miss the turn ahead of us on the ICW, and since he was headed towards us, he ended up on our side of the channel. I watched him for a while, and when he didn't attempt to move to the "correct" side of the channel, I went ahead and moved over to the "wrong" side. At the last second, he crossed to my side of the channel and forced me to take evasive action. I gave him five blasts on the horn, and as we passed each other, he reached down and brandished a shot gun, looking down from the flybridge. Just goes to show the dangers out there aren't all from Mother Nature.
 
Jan 6, 2010
1,520
I like the idea ROSS mentioned about Darwinian candidates.

Unfortunately, historically the annual winners(?) I hear are contestants are just dying to win. They also have an "Honorable Mention" class where you don't necessarily have to die to be considered but, I believe you have to be injured.

Maybe someone should start a thread in "Ask all Sailors" for entering their inductees thru personal experience, not news you've read but, were an eyewitness to. Hopefully, there will be more "Honorable Mention" candidates than winners. At the end of the thread maybe have a contest into who the winner/s are, followed by second & third place. We can also add the "Honorable Mention" winner/s with second & third place.

So, who would like to start the thread. Not I, I would rather enter my stories in the thread.
Whoever starts this thread, has to have a candidate & tale to start with. We can also add the "Honorable Mention" category for winner, with second & third place runner-ups. The stories can be from any year.

So, who would like to start this thread (and don't you guys try to nominate me). Not I, I would rather enter some of my stories/candidates in the thread.

Here are two links for Darwin Awards, past & present.

http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2013.html

http://www.darwinawards.com/

CR
 

capta

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Jun 4, 2009
4,933
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
Running water barges from Rosie Roads to St. Thomas I had sailboats constantly going between the tug and barge; day or night, no matter. Our only recourse was to turn around and run toward the barge (and the sailboat, of course) at full speed to get the cable to sink before the idiots became hooked on it and drawn under the bow of the barge. I can't imagine what these cretins thought when they saw a 120' tug turning toward them and powering at them at full speed, but I sincerely doubt that they had any idea how close to death they actually were.
 
Oct 26, 2005
2,057
- - Satellite Beach, FL.
During a club race out of Port Canaveral, one of the "Captains" challenged a surfaced Trident FBM (Fleet Ballistic Missile Submarine) for right of way, thinking the sub (constrained by draft in the approach channel) had to move out the way of his boat under sail because (as was heard over VHF) "I'm in a race!"
Powerboaters don't have a patent on dumba$$e$.
 
Oct 17, 2011
2,809
Ericson 29 Southport..
Drunk, stupid, inexperience, crazy, or any combination of the above. The inquiry didn't mention drinking, so..
 
Dec 1, 1999
2,391
Hunter 28.5 Chesapeake Bay
Over the years, I had about an equal number of close calls with other sailboats as with powerboats. I know it's blasphemy to say it, but the whole idea of anyone being able to plunk down some money and drive/sail off with a boat of just about any size or type -- with no requirement to prove ability or even knowledge of safety rules -- is just nuts to me.
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,186
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Visibility Issues

In my opinion, sailboats have a larger problem than power when under sail: visibility around the headsail. There have numerous collisions over the years I am aware of caused by the blanketing, and the more overlap, the bigger the problem. In races, helmsmen can get caught up in the moment and crew distracted. I am always on mine to be my eyes. When cruising, it's easy to get complacent.

I put a window in my previous head sail, and ordered one in the current one but it never got installed and I am used to not having it. However, I did feel better with one. I'm sure all of you have had to dodge someone who never saw you.

Sorry for the thread drift...
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,045
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Not thread drift at all, Rick. Visibility forward is very important to me. That's why when we bought our ProFurl system many years ago, we installed long link plates which raised the tack of the jib(s) above the line of the top of the bow pulpit. I find it incredibly helpful to be able to see!!! BTW, we raced with our 110 jib against other one-design boats (i.e., C34s) who were running 130s and did very well for many, many years. There was a thread here in Don's forum about smaller jibs...worked for us! :)
 
Jan 6, 2010
1,520
Stu,

You are correct in your point about visibility forward the headsail. Rick D, did not drift off-scope, but rather he nailed this problem that exists for sailboats.

I, like you Stu had a full deck cut 155. The boat previously was a club racer. to see forward, I had to sway back-n-forth just to see ahead. I had my NEW 155 high-cut off the deck for vis. Best thing I ever did. Also, complacency IS an issue.

Let's also give credit to Warren. Yea, money can buy you a bigger boat, but not experience or logic. Hence the saying, "More dollars than sense..........DUH."

Then there are the fools that think they know rules of the road....DUH(again). Merlin touched on this, as witnessed by me personally many times. You can learn rules of the road from the book and follow it to the letter however, "ALWAYS, BIGGER HAS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY................PERIOD!"

AND THEN, IT'S ALL ABOUT PLANNING. Your plan to go down a traffic separation or shipping channel. Let's compare a Hugo to a semi tractor trailer. Which one would you rather be in for the collision? Yet I witnessed this idiot sailor running the same course as a freighter in a shipping channel with another freighter coming up in the opposite direction. This was all going to happen at the same time in a dogleg.

Yea, our sailing hero was on the correct STBD side of the channel but this big-a** freighter was bearing down at 12 kts. with an inbound coming from the opposite direction. Wow, a crossing situation.

The idiot probably read the rules (and thought he understood them in the bigger scheme of things but, as we will see, he did not) for he forgot 4 important things to avoid this.

First, you're a puny little plastic sailboat moving slow in a high traffic big boat channel.

Second, you're in this channel with this monster bearing down on you & another monster coming from the opposite direction. This meeting situation will not allow both freighters to alter channel course at this junction.

Third, YOU will ALL meet in the same place @ the same time........Oh what joy.

Fourth, both freighters have been sounding the 5 blast danger signal for five minutes now, although our hero(?) remained steadfastly under sail on his course.

What this sh**t ass sailor didn't not foresee (or oblivious to) was, did he have sea room to bounce out of the channel to stay clear? Was there enough water? Did the prudent(?) navigator pre-plan his course and positioning allowing for close-quarter situations? If he had to bounce out of the channel was there sufficient depth?

Well, as the two freighters met & passed each other, the sailboat kissed all the way down the outbound freighter's STBD side hull. I watched as the sailboat admiral fell back from the wheel. The wheel spun & the rudder swung. Oh, then the mighty plastic boat turned to stern, Bernoulli's Law saw to it that the suction between the beast & the sailboat kept the little against the freighter's hull once more.

The sound of fiberglass scrapping, The spreaders snapping, the mast & sails falling, the complete turn-around of the boat. And let's not forget the lovely sounds of six people screaming in unison in a dark operatic tone. I watched this from about 50 yards away. It was like a black-n-white movie, Abbot & Costello meeting Optimus Prime.

He was an older gentleman(?), with 5 elderly people on his boat. When the freighter passed, I dropped sails & motored over for assistance. His antenna was gone and, I when I saw there were no injuries, hailed both freighters to let them know. I also radioed the Coasties while I helped them secure the mast, sails & rigging somewhat to the hull. Oh, I forgot to mention, I knew the depth out of the channel (cause that's where I was watching this horror flick from) & I towed him here & helped him drop anchor. I stayed close by until help arrived, then I booked, as I had my hottie onboard & she had a different agenda for me.

I couldn't wait for the USCG to show up, as he did nothing but recite the rules over & over(as he interpreted them) & complained that it was Optimus Primes' fault not his. I relented as this was not the correct forum to tell him that he F**ked up.

Maybe this is a good example of why you should carry a gun onboard.........just for the peace & quiet. To be honest, we became good friends after his survival. He has a new boat, a captain's license & we take turns sailing on both of our boats.

CR
 
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Sep 25, 2008
1,096
CS 30 Toronto
Cut off a cruis ship

A sailboat tried to cut across us between Mesina, the island of Sicily and the main land of Italy. We were on Royal caribbean Splendor of the Seas, 117,000 tons doing 15 to 20 knots. The brdge office blasted the horn at least 6 times to get their attention. BTW it was in the late morning under clear sun. I have the video somewhere.
 
Nov 24, 2012
586
Stu, You are correct in your point about visibility forward the headsail. Rick D, did not drift off-scope, but rather he nailed this problem that exists for sailboats. I, like you Stu had a full deck cut 155. The boat previously was a club racer. to see forward, I had to sway back-n-forth just to see ahead. I had my NEW 155 high-cut off the deck for vis. Best thing I ever did. Also, complacency IS an issue. Let's also give credit to Warren. Yea, money can buy you a bigger boat, but not experience or logic. Hence the saying, "More dollars than sense..........DUH." Then there are the fools that think they know rules of the road....DUH(again). Merlin touched on this, as witnessed by me personally many times. You can learn rules of the road from the book and follow it to the letter however, "ALWASY, BIGGER HAS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY................PERIOD!" AND THEN, IT'S ALL ABOUT PLANNING. Your plan to go down a traffic separation or shipping channel. Let's compare a Hugo to a semi tractor trailer. Which one would you rather be in for the collision? Yet I witnessed this idiot sailor running the same course as a freighter in a shipping channel with another freighter coming up in the opposite direction. This was all going to happen at the same time in a dogleg. Yea, our sailing hero was on the correct STBD side of the channel but this big-a** freighter was bearing down at 12 kts. with an inbound coming from the opposite direction. Wow, a crossing situation. The idiot probably read the rules (and thought he understood them in the bigger scheme of things but, as we will see, he did not) for he forgot 4 important things to avoid this. First, you're a puny little plastic sailboat moving slow in a high traffic big boat channel. Second, you're in this channel with this monster bearing down on you & another monster coming from the opposite direction. This meeting situation will not allow both freighters to alter channel course at this junction. Third, YOU will ALL meet in the same place @ the same time........Oh what joy. Fourth, both freighters have been sounding the 5 blast danger signal for five minutes now, although our hero(?) remained steadfastly under sail on his course. What this sh**t ass sailor didn't not foresee (or oblivious to) was, did he have sea room to bounce out of the channel to stay clear? Was there enough water? Did the prudent(?) navigator pre-plan his course and positioning allowing for close-quarter situations? If he had to bounce out of the channel was there sufficient depth? Well, as the two freighters met & passed each other, the sailboat kissed all the way down the outbound freighter's STBD side hull. I watched as the sailboat admiral fell back from the wheel. The wheel spun & the rudder swung. Oh, then the mighty plastic boat turned to stern, Bernoulli's Law saw to it that the suction between the beast & the sailboat kept the little against the freighter's hull once more. The sound of fiberglass scrapping, The spreaders snapping, the mast & sails falling, the complete turn-around of the boat. And let's not forget the lovely sounds of six people screaming in unison in a dark operatic tone. I watched this from about 50 yards away. It was like a black-n-white movie, Abbot & Costello meeting Optimus Prime. He was an older gentleman(?), with 5 elderly people on his boat. When the freighter passed, I dropped sails & motored over for assistance. His antenna was gone and, I when I saw there were no injuries, hailed both freighters to let them know. I also radioed the Coasties while I helped them secure the mast, sails & rigging somewhat to the hull. Oh, I forgot to mention, I knew the depth out of the channel (cause that's where I was watching this horror flick from) & I towed him here & helped him drop anchor. I stayed close by until help arrived, then I booked, as I had my hottie onboard & she had a different agenda for me. I couldn't wait for the USCG to show up, as he did nothing but recite the rules over & over(as he interpreted them) & complained that it was Optimus Primes' fault not his. I relented as this was not the correct forum to tell him that he F**ked up. Maybe this is a good example of why you should carry a gun onboard.........just for the peace & quiet. To be honest, we became good friends after his survival. He has a new boat, a captain's license & we take turns sailing on both of our boats. CR
I can't believe ALL the boats that don't understand their position in the hierarchy of ships, traffic separation schemes and navigation in channels.

The most flagrant on Lake Erie/Detroit River are boats proceeding up the Downbound channel and vice versa, not to mention fishing boats anchored in the middle of the Downbound channel.
 
Oct 26, 2005
2,057
- - Satellite Beach, FL.
Yeah the "pecking order" can be a handy tool IF the sailor understands his real place in the world.
 

WayneH

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Jan 22, 2008
1,094
Tartan 37 287 Pensacola, FL
Rule #1: In the battle between fiberglass and steel, STEEL wins everytime.
Rule #2: If you think you have the right of way, refer to rule #1.


The Admiral and I have made a few trips on the GICW. AIS is your friend. We have seen a passing situation present itself at a BAD time for us. Two examples:

First, the AIS predicted a meeting in the middle of a bend. We called the tug and let him know we were on the other side of the bend and we were going to do donuts until he came around the bend and got straightened up again.

Second, on a straightaway we were slowly being overtaken by a tow but still had several minutes before he would get to us. Coming the opposite way was a second tow. The AIS placed all three of us within about ten feet if nothing else changed. So being the goodwill ambassadors for sailboats, we let the tow behind us know that we were going to do a 180 so he could pass us and then pull in behind him so that we wouldn't slow down the tow coming the opposite direction. The tows are happy and I'm not missing any gelcoat from my boat. Win win situation.

But don't get me talking about shrimp boats.... GRRRRRR!!!!!!!