Happy 13th birthday to my LiFePo4 Batery Bank (5/10/2009)

Feb 6, 1998
11,676
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Back in 2007 the first lithium iron phosphate battery cells were just beginning to be manufactured and become commercially available. I dove in & began researching everything I could about lithium iron phosphate. Unfortunately back then there was scant white papers and scant research available. Anything that was available was behind a pay-wall at some university. I decided if I wanted to learn about lithium iron phosphate I needed to buy some cells & start experimenting. That was the only way I was going to learn. My first cells were small 100 Ah thundersky cells because they were relatively inexpensive and I didn't really care if I ruined them. being this early into a new technology I knew I was going to get some arrows in my back being a pioneer.This was all before cylindrical LiFepo4 cells even existed.it would've been much easier to destroy a few $10 wonderful cells than cells the cost me $200 apiece.

I wound up destroying those initial cells pretty quickly experimenting with charge voltages, how deeply you could cycle them & such. I quickly found out that they didn't really care how deeply you discharged them other than going below about 3.00 VPC. I quickly learned that the cells did not need to charge to anywhere near 3.65 V to attain 100% state of charge. I also learned that they did not like to be absorbed for longer than is absolutely necessary. On those early cells these batteries were quickly degraded if you left them on absorb for too long a duration. After all this testing and experimenting I finally decided to order a set of 400 amp hour Winston cells for my own vessel. It may sound hard to believe, that back in 2009 we had a lot more availability in battery management systems. Genasun was actually building a BMS Clean Power Auto had one and there are a number of others mostly designed for EV use but that can be modified for marine use . Other than Genasun the only BMS that was specifically designed for marine application was made by a company called Clean Power Auto. Demetri the owner of that company is now is the engineer at Lithionics.for perhaps 2000 cycles I use this clean power auto BMS. At that point I switched to a REC BMS.

For my own banks charging I decided on 13.8V @ roughly a .4C charge rate with a 30 minute absorption and no float. The primary charge source for this bank has been the alternator and a Balmar MC 614 regulator. While we had plenty of solar solar it remained off most of the time. We used this bank with just 30 minutes of engine runtime a day. This is pretty easy in Maine with the light winds we have in the summer. Doing all the charging from the alternator worked out perfectly. If we needed to stay at anchor for more than three days I would simply flip on the solar array just to slow the discharge. The original charge regime I set up for this bank back in 2009 has worked amazingly well. Today the battery has over 2300 cycles on it with almost every cycle going to at least 80% depth of discharge purposely. As of the last discharge capacity test the bank could still deliver the full 400 amp hours of capacity (Technically a little bit over). So, for those who say LiFePo4 hasn't been around long enough to see how long it actually lasts, I'd say 13 years & 2300+ cycles is pretty good data so I am personally sold.






Cycle 2000 capacity test 416Ah

 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Great to hear. I think everyone interested in this technology should be required to read your article on your website. Unfortunately, so many are trying to reinvent the wheel. Thanks for showing the way!
 
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Sep 24, 2018
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O'Day 25 Chicago
Beautiful work and it's really impressive to hear that those batteries are still hitting 400ah capacity 13 years later. Glad to hear that you still have your boat
 

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Feb 5, 2004
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Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
For my own banks charging I decided on 13.8V @ roughly a .4C charge rate with a 30 minute absorption and no float.
I still don't fully grasp the charging characteristics of LFP. I assume that you designed this charge regimen to avoid harming the bank, while putting a good deal of energy into them. I thought that LFP cells didn't turn the corner until about 3.6V/cell, or 14.4V for a 12V pack. If you hold acceptance at 13.8V, 3.45V/cell, won't they stop charging when the cell comes up to that voltage, which could be about 85% SOC? That's fine, just trying to wrap my head around this.

I assumed you could do all of your charing in bulk mode, and that the smart charger would go to accept mode at the set point, say 13.8V, and then almost immediate go to float since the charging current would be below 2%C. And I further thought one would keep the float voltage at nearly that level so that while the engine's running you don't discharge the bank.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,676
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Beautiful work and it's really impressive to hear that those batteries are still hitting 400ah capacity 13 years later. Glad to hear that you still have your boat
Unfortunately I can no longer sail. Boat is heading to Georgian bay with her new owners soon..
 
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Feb 6, 1998
11,676
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I still don't fully grasp the charging characteristics of LFP. I assume that you designed this charge regimen to avoid harming the bank, while putting a good deal of energy into them. I thought that LFP cells didn't turn the corner until about 3.6V/cell, or 14.4V for a 12V pack. If you hold acceptance at 13.8V, 3.45V/cell, won't they stop charging when the cell comes up to that voltage, which could be about 85% SOC? That's fine, just trying to wrap my head around this.

I assumed you could do all of your charing in bulk mode, and that the smart charger would go to accept mode at the set point, say 13.8V, and then almost immediate go to float since the charging current would be below 2%C. And I further thought one would keep the float voltage at nearly that level so that while the engine's running you don't discharge the bank.
You thought incorrectly..here is a capacity test from cycle #772. Note the charge voltage and tail current cut off... Drop in makers push the 14.4V to 14.6V narrative because their BMS usually does not begin to balance until 3.6VPC. This is why I like Kilovault...They begin to balance at 3.5VPC..I cover all this in my drop in article...The bottom line is that an LFP cell can charge to 100% SoC at just a hair over 3.4V