I'm debating whether or not to run my halyards aft to the cockpit. Initially it seemed like a good idea, but with the "in boom" lines at the mast and the convenient arrangement of cleats and winch on the Z spar mast I'm wondering if it's worth all the effort. Has anyone run the "in boom" lines back to mid boom? Your thoughts please.
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Jon Bastien
Ran mine aft...
Hi Mike, When I bought my H23, it had the main halyard run aft (but not the jib). I ran the jib halyard aft, but left the boom lines in place. I don't tend to spend a lot of time adjusting my outhaul or topping lift much; If I'm singlehanding, I'll leave a little extra line out on the topping lift (lets the boom hang lower), so I don't have to adjust it when I raise the main. As for the winch, I haven't moved it from its place on the mast because it is instrumental to my mast raising/lowering method. I haven't really needed a winch for my halyards, since I fixed all the broken sheaves in the mast ;o). (That reminds me - You may need to purchase an extra sheave to go into the base of the mast for the jib halyard when you re-route it.) If I do need to crank on a halyard, I can always use the jib winches... Also, the way the lines were run aft on my boat was very simple- Not even turning blocks or deck organizers, just a few "bull's eye" fairleads and some cam cleats. I can send you pictures if you like... --Jon Bastien H23 '2 Sheets to the Wind'
Hi Mike, When I bought my H23, it had the main halyard run aft (but not the jib). I ran the jib halyard aft, but left the boom lines in place. I don't tend to spend a lot of time adjusting my outhaul or topping lift much; If I'm singlehanding, I'll leave a little extra line out on the topping lift (lets the boom hang lower), so I don't have to adjust it when I raise the main. As for the winch, I haven't moved it from its place on the mast because it is instrumental to my mast raising/lowering method. I haven't really needed a winch for my halyards, since I fixed all the broken sheaves in the mast ;o). (That reminds me - You may need to purchase an extra sheave to go into the base of the mast for the jib halyard when you re-route it.) If I do need to crank on a halyard, I can always use the jib winches... Also, the way the lines were run aft on my boat was very simple- Not even turning blocks or deck organizers, just a few "bull's eye" fairleads and some cam cleats. I can send you pictures if you like... --Jon Bastien H23 '2 Sheets to the Wind'
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Jim Kolstoe
Line aft
Mike, I ran my halyards and cunningham aft to the cockpit. It makes life much easier. The in-boom lines, (topping lift, outhaul and jiffy-reefing lines) I still handle from the mast. Put a multiple rope clutch on, with a winch behind it so you can winch through the clutch. That way you can add more halyard tension if wind strength increases, or control backing off halyard tension if the wind drops off a lot. Putting the winch as the last element means you can use one winch for all of the lines coming through your clutch - I've seem several ganged together, I have just a double right now. Jim Kolstoe, h23 Kara's Boo
Mike, I ran my halyards and cunningham aft to the cockpit. It makes life much easier. The in-boom lines, (topping lift, outhaul and jiffy-reefing lines) I still handle from the mast. Put a multiple rope clutch on, with a winch behind it so you can winch through the clutch. That way you can add more halyard tension if wind strength increases, or control backing off halyard tension if the wind drops off a lot. Putting the winch as the last element means you can use one winch for all of the lines coming through your clutch - I've seem several ganged together, I have just a double right now. Jim Kolstoe, h23 Kara's Boo
To Jon B: why not put the pics in the photo forum?
After sailing a couple of larger boats with the lines led aft to the cockpit, I can see the value of doing the same to the H23. I think some photos would be helpful to us all. Keep up the good work. Peter
After sailing a couple of larger boats with the lines led aft to the cockpit, I can see the value of doing the same to the H23. I think some photos would be helpful to us all. Keep up the good work. Peter
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Mike Epp
another thought
Thanks for the input guys! I'd tend to agree it's a good idea to run the lines aft.......and actually, I can reach the boom lines alright from standing in the companionway. I also like Jon's idea of using the jib sheet winch instead of mounting another winch. Buttt......, doesn't that require you to have a lot of excess halyard laying around in the cockpit? How do you handle storage of the excess line?
Thanks for the input guys! I'd tend to agree it's a good idea to run the lines aft.......and actually, I can reach the boom lines alright from standing in the companionway. I also like Jon's idea of using the jib sheet winch instead of mounting another winch. Buttt......, doesn't that require you to have a lot of excess halyard laying around in the cockpit? How do you handle storage of the excess line?
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Jim Kolstoe
Halyard tails
Mike, You're right, leading the halyards aft puts them in the cockpit. Currently I loop them up and hang them off their winch, main bottom to the side, gennie top to the back. I am thinking about having a local canvas worker make a couple of bags that I can hang from the grap-rail, and either let dangle into the cabin or off the side of the cabin. I used to let the halyards hang into the cabin, but my son kept trying to swing through the cabin like Tarzan. Jim Kolstoe, h23 Kara's Boo
Mike, You're right, leading the halyards aft puts them in the cockpit. Currently I loop them up and hang them off their winch, main bottom to the side, gennie top to the back. I am thinking about having a local canvas worker make a couple of bags that I can hang from the grap-rail, and either let dangle into the cabin or off the side of the cabin. I used to let the halyards hang into the cabin, but my son kept trying to swing through the cabin like Tarzan. Jim Kolstoe, h23 Kara's Boo
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Ted Sonntag
Ran mine aft too
Mike, I ran both halyards to the cockpit and it's one of the best things I've done. For the main, I moved the exit block to the base of the mast and ran the line through a two block organizer, a bullseye, and a two line rope clutch. I took the winch off the mast and monuted it on the cabin. For the jib I did the same except I did not move the exit block; I install a block at the base of the mast instead. This is much safer way to raise and lower the sails, plus it's easy to lose your winch handle (which do not float!) if your not careful. So, just do it! Ted S.
Mike, I ran both halyards to the cockpit and it's one of the best things I've done. For the main, I moved the exit block to the base of the mast and ran the line through a two block organizer, a bullseye, and a two line rope clutch. I took the winch off the mast and monuted it on the cabin. For the jib I did the same except I did not move the exit block; I install a block at the base of the mast instead. This is much safer way to raise and lower the sails, plus it's easy to lose your winch handle (which do not float!) if your not careful. So, just do it! Ted S.
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