Is the Sail Number and Hull Number the same thing? I was looking at the C22 NSA and noticed that the Sail Number was asked for on the application.
Sail Number
- Thread starter Bill and Kathy McDonald
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my example:
HIN: CTYH25520873
CTY= Catalina Yachts
H= C22
2552= Sail #
08= Manufacture Month
73= Manufacture Year
HIN: CTYH25520873
CTY= Catalina Yachts
H= C22
2552= Sail #
08= Manufacture Month
73= Manufacture Year
look on the starboard stern just below the rub rail-- picture attached, but the actual factory HIN was engraved by a drunken tattoo artist into the gelcoat:
Our boat HIN is CTYHY8370475
Following your information, what does the Y indicate?
Bill and Kathy,
One thing to remember, your sail number might not be correct because someone replaced the sail in the past with a used one. Happens all the time, especially on a vintage boat. As for the HIN, hope this helps clarify what the numbers mean:
1975 - 1984 Jan=F Feb = G Mar = H Apr = I May = J Jun = K
Jul = L Aug = A Sep = B Oct = C Nov = D Dec = E
1984 - Present Jan=A Feb = B Mar = C Apr = D May = E Jun = F
Jul = G Aug = H Sep = I Oct = J Nov = K Dec = L
The Model Year scheme in use between 1975 and 1984 derived the Year Built information from the Model Year and from the Month Built. For example, a boat whose last three letters of the HIN were 82A would actually be a 1982 model year Catalina 22 built in August of 1981. Here's three HIN's decoded:
CTYH44011074: A Catalina 22 built in 1974. Sail number 4401.
CTY = Manufacturer’s Identification Code (Catalina Yachts)
H = Model (Catalina 22)
4401 = Hull Serial Number
10 = Month Built?
74 = Year Built
CTYH9353M80C: A 1980 model year Catalina 22. Built in October 1979. Sail number 9353.
CTY = Manufacturer’s Identification Code (Catalina Yachts)
H = Model (Catalina 22)
9353 = Hull Serial Number
M = ???
80 = Model Year (1980). August is the start of a new model year.
C = Month Built (October). A=August, B=September, and so on.
CTYH5550K405: A 1997 model year Catalina 22. Built in June 1996. Sail number 15390.
CTY = Manufacturer’s Identification Code (Catalina Yachts)
H = Model (Catalina 22)
5390 = Hull Serial Number
F = Month Built (June). A=January, B=February, and so on.
6 = Year Built (1996). Last digit of the year of manufacture.
97 = Model Year (1997). August is the start of a new model year.
Hope that helps,
Don
One thing to remember, your sail number might not be correct because someone replaced the sail in the past with a used one. Happens all the time, especially on a vintage boat. As for the HIN, hope this helps clarify what the numbers mean:
- 1969 - 1973, No HIN, just a metal plate at the transom (inside cockpit)
- 1973 - 1975, No letters for month built (e.g. CTYH44011074)
- 1975 - 1984, a mysterious "M" is a part of all HIN's (e.g.CTYH9353M80C)
- 1984 - present, Year built represented with a number (e.g. CTYH5390F697)
1975 - 1984 Jan=F Feb = G Mar = H Apr = I May = J Jun = K
Jul = L Aug = A Sep = B Oct = C Nov = D Dec = E
1984 - Present Jan=A Feb = B Mar = C Apr = D May = E Jun = F
Jul = G Aug = H Sep = I Oct = J Nov = K Dec = L
The Model Year scheme in use between 1975 and 1984 derived the Year Built information from the Model Year and from the Month Built. For example, a boat whose last three letters of the HIN were 82A would actually be a 1982 model year Catalina 22 built in August of 1981. Here's three HIN's decoded:
CTYH44011074: A Catalina 22 built in 1974. Sail number 4401.
CTY = Manufacturer’s Identification Code (Catalina Yachts)
H = Model (Catalina 22)
4401 = Hull Serial Number
10 = Month Built?
74 = Year Built
CTYH9353M80C: A 1980 model year Catalina 22. Built in October 1979. Sail number 9353.
CTY = Manufacturer’s Identification Code (Catalina Yachts)
H = Model (Catalina 22)
9353 = Hull Serial Number
M = ???
80 = Model Year (1980). August is the start of a new model year.
C = Month Built (October). A=August, B=September, and so on.
CTYH5550K405: A 1997 model year Catalina 22. Built in June 1996. Sail number 15390.
CTY = Manufacturer’s Identification Code (Catalina Yachts)
H = Model (Catalina 22)
5390 = Hull Serial Number
F = Month Built (June). A=January, B=February, and so on.
6 = Year Built (1996). Last digit of the year of manufacture.
97 = Model Year (1997). August is the start of a new model year.
Hope that helps,
Don
HIN is the engraved number on the transom. The hull serial number is the one on the brass plate inside the transom in the cockpit and should match the number inside the HIN number series. The sail number matches the original mainsail if you still have it or whatever sail or sails you have now. I have two mainsails with different number, I use the one rigged now to register it with Cat 22 org, boat us, etc because it is visible.
In the USA sail numbers are not legislated and can be anything.
US Sailing will issue you a unique 5-digit sail number for $100. You need this for most major off-shore races.
Many skip this and just use the model's in-series number as a sail number.. This is actually allowed in recognized one-design fleets. It does allow for the possibly for duplicate numbers in mixed handicap fleets however.
Some people will adopt the number on used sails they buy. Happens.
US Sailing will issue you a unique 5-digit sail number for $100. You need this for most major off-shore races.
Many skip this and just use the model's in-series number as a sail number.. This is actually allowed in recognized one-design fleets. It does allow for the possibly for duplicate numbers in mixed handicap fleets however.
Some people will adopt the number on used sails they buy. Happens.
Wow, I am confused.
CTYHY8370475
Our Number CTYHY8370475
CTY: Catalina
H: C-22
Y: WHAT IS THIS?
873: Hull Number
04: April
75: Year
I have the plate on the transom in the cockpit. It is stamped C-22 Serial Number -837
All of the paperwork states that it is a 75 and that the 873 Hull number is correct.
Just confused on what the Y before the 837 is
CTYHY8370475
Our Number CTYHY8370475
CTY: Catalina
H: C-22
Y: WHAT IS THIS?
873: Hull Number
04: April
75: Year
I have the plate on the transom in the cockpit. It is stamped C-22 Serial Number -837
All of the paperwork states that it is a 75 and that the 873 Hull number is correct.
Just confused on what the Y before the 837 is
It could be possible the y could be a 4 and the 837 is a typo or the 873 is a typo. This would make your sail number 4873 or 4837 which would make sense if yours was built in April of 1975.
The 873 was my typo. The y is probably a typo. I am not about to challenge that with The Belize Port Authority bi am the 3rd owner at least here in Belize. Even the slightest confusion is big with these guys.
Thanks for the help. Hull 837 wasn't making any sense.
Thanks for the help. Hull 837 wasn't making any sense.
Its 4837 according to the picture. My plate isn't that pretty, that's the one below the traveler, right?
In the olden days before they established a system for boat HIN's (early 70's), there was a number on the sail that was the same as the hull number. In the example above the number displayed would have been 8370 or the eight thousand, three hundred and 70th C-22 built. But, when they displayed it on the sail, before the official HIN it was merely from 1 to the hundreds. The number Jackdaw writes about started out with USYRU which was merely for racing and for members of the United States Yacht Racing Union, which is now simply called the United States Sailing Association (which doesn't sound so "Yachtie"). It has nothing to do with hull numbers assigned by the manufacturer of the boat.
Cool I am first generation German too! Immigrated to the US 20 years ago.
Good not to forget where once roots are. Just a suggestion: You should fly the US flag above the German flag....
Huh? I don't have a problem with Jacktar's ensign, just the USCG Auxiliary flag. It looks like he's got the US Yacht ensign on the backstay, which is OK: "Marconi-rigged sailboats may fly the ensign from the leech of the aftermost sail (or from the back stay), approximately 2/3 the distance up its length. This puts it in about the same position it would occupy if the boat were gaff-rigged." http://www.usps.org/f_stuff/etiquett.html
The USCG Aux regulations state that their flag must be from the "main truck": http://help.cgaux.org/index.php?/Kn...ing-the-cgaux-ensign-on-a-member-owned-vessel
If I'm wrong, pls correct - I love this stuff.