Put the boat to bed for the winter

HERSH

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Nov 21, 2012
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Catalina Capri 22 http://www.chelseayacht.org
Schnool; Nice fleet. Hopefully you split it somewhat, so you do not have Catalina 22's racing against Capri 25's.

Portsmouth system. Far superior then the PHRF and the Time on Time is generally more fare -- until the wind dies totally.

How about a close up photo of that front wheel arangement you have for your trailer.


hershey
 

shnool

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Aug 10, 2012
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WD Schock Wavelength 24 Wallenpaupack
3 fleets, generally setup by handicapped number...
the "One Design" fleet is actually the one I'm in, and it was an attempt at getting all the ones with a similar handicap rating together... with the exception of the Hunter 25.5, it works... but the 25.5 sailor is really a pretty exceptional sailor, so they moved him into our group (he's our commodore) so that someone else could win the "racing" fleet, and he's successfully won the OD fleet a few times too, so he's certainly NOT out of place... Finally we have our "cruisers," which represent those who like to race but not enough to set a beer down, or bother with changing sails much.

Our starts are pretty nice though, cruisers first, then race fleet, then OD fleet. 10 minutes apart... so everyone (on an ideal day) finishes closer to one another. They always throw a picnic at the end of our races, people take turns doing race committee and galley duty. It's actually a pretty smart way to set things up.

Here's the breakdown of the fleets for this year. The gentleman in the "race" fleet with the O'Day 26, didn't race, because he crewed with me all season. He's a helluva sailor in his own right, and I hope he ditches that cruiser and buys to a race boat (he's a contractor by trade and his boat is like new, really an exceptional Oday 26), but then I'll lose good crew...
http://www.shnool.com/PSC2013Race8FleetsOverall.htm
 

HERSH

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Nov 21, 2012
520
Catalina Capri 22 http://www.chelseayacht.org
Have one on me !



Looks like you have your fleets set up pretty intelligently. Unfortunately as far as I am concerned sailing where you have a lot of current (Hudson River) totally destroys any handicapping system. Especially a Time on Distance. The distance sailed over the water is NOT = to what is sailed over th ground.

Hershey
 

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Kunzig

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Jul 3, 2013
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Ok, I'll bite - over the ground??? Well Chris does with his buggy... Aren't we always over the water, in the water! The GPS and VMG still play with my head some...

The beer looks good - how does it taste? or what other beer does it taste like?
 

shnool

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Aug 10, 2012
556
WD Schock Wavelength 24 Wallenpaupack
Hersh...
Your fleet should consider Portsmouth... it's ALSO a flawed system, but generally does better at bringing handicaps closer to home without time on distance, it uses time on time.
http://www.katiekat.net/SeaStories/PHRFFallacy.html

I WILL note though that Portsmouth has a huge problem when the wind dies completely...
From the same guy who wrote the above article... he wrote this about Portsmouth... http://www.katiekat.net/SeaStories/PHRF ... uttal.html

Handicapped racing is generally flawed, but some systems work better than others... I know also that PHRF NE at one point added 12 points to every handicapp, to add some swag in the numbers... not sure why/how that worked, but they did it with some measure of success.

I find Portsmouth to be pretty accurate as long as there IS wind... and as long as the committee boat gets generally the same winds as the rest of the fleet (ours has this tendency, by design of the club to sit in a wind shadow)... But Portsmouth takes into account the prevailing wind average using the Beaufort scale and adjusts handicaps for most of the boats, because some do better, some do worse as the winds pipe up.
 

HERSH

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Nov 21, 2012
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Catalina Capri 22 http://www.chelseayacht.org
Kunzig said:
Ok, I'll bite - over the ground??? Well Chris does with his buggy... Aren't we always over the water, in the water! The GPS and VMG still play with my head some...

How about the distance over the earth? If you are going 4 kts. against a 1 kt. current, then your real velocity, over the earth is 3 kts.

Yes, Portsmouth is better* and less expensive. But the "experts" in my club are PHRF PHRF PHRF. One has to purchase a PHRF certificate in my club to be counted in the series races ... * But Portsmouth, or PHRF Time on Time also fall apart when the wind stops. Nothing is perfect.

Actually both systems are useable, as long as the boats are close in performance .. PHRF recommends 20 secs/knautical mile. It is when you start getting spreads of 40-50-100 when things really fall appart.

Oh well, time for me to get off my soap box.

Hershey