I know this project doesn't affect most of you but I'd like your thoughts of the proposed wind farm being considered for nantucket.
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Great idea
Sounds great, a challenge for any sailor to navigate between wind farm, shoreline, and other boats. If transformer catches fire, that would make a nice show! Churning turbines, big propellors, what a view!
Sounds great, a challenge for any sailor to navigate between wind farm, shoreline, and other boats. If transformer catches fire, that would make a nice show! Churning turbines, big propellors, what a view!
Red Light
They'll be over 500 lights, and the entire area will probably be restricted. But if you are concerned with navigating the wind farm, look for Ted Kennedy's red nose, he'll lead you through safe passage.
They'll be over 500 lights, and the entire area will probably be restricted. But if you are concerned with navigating the wind farm, look for Ted Kennedy's red nose, he'll lead you through safe passage.
What a waste of time and money
but it is after all the "least coast". What will this do to the birds and fishes not to mention the property values? Light pollution, antifouling paint, hazard to navigation, tv interference, ozone hole - my oh my! What will the Indians think about it?
but it is after all the "least coast". What will this do to the birds and fishes not to mention the property values? Light pollution, antifouling paint, hazard to navigation, tv interference, ozone hole - my oh my! What will the Indians think about it?
Patrick better there than here.
And Mike, great picture. How do I get a copy? What's the story behind it? Who painted it?
And Mike, great picture. How do I get a copy? What's the story behind it? Who painted it?
Wind Farm
I sail out of Cotuit and I'm against it for a lot of resons. Follow this link to get both sides of the argument: http://www.capecodonline.com/special/windfarm/ J
I sail out of Cotuit and I'm against it for a lot of resons. Follow this link to get both sides of the argument: http://www.capecodonline.com/special/windfarm/ J
A Better Idea
The problem with windfarms is they make for an unsightly landscape! Maybe they should put them out in the dessert or areas where it doesn't matter much - Nantucket depends on tourism and it keeps the local economy going - but we do need alternative energy. A better method of developing electrical energy is with submersible turbine generators. New York City is experimenting on a submerged generators along the turbulent East River that will get its energy from the moving tidal waters. Dependable and only 4 hours per day down-time. Now, if you ever sailed through Buzzards bay past Martha's Vineyard on up to Nantucket - you will certainly know how much energy flows under your vessel - Why not harness it! My 2 cents.
The problem with windfarms is they make for an unsightly landscape! Maybe they should put them out in the dessert or areas where it doesn't matter much - Nantucket depends on tourism and it keeps the local economy going - but we do need alternative energy. A better method of developing electrical energy is with submersible turbine generators. New York City is experimenting on a submerged generators along the turbulent East River that will get its energy from the moving tidal waters. Dependable and only 4 hours per day down-time. Now, if you ever sailed through Buzzards bay past Martha's Vineyard on up to Nantucket - you will certainly know how much energy flows under your vessel - Why not harness it! My 2 cents.
what a joke
How many acres or square miles of those things would equal one coal fired or nuclear plant? I wouldn't want those things uglyfing the coastline in my neighborhood.
How many acres or square miles of those things would equal one coal fired or nuclear plant? I wouldn't want those things uglyfing the coastline in my neighborhood.
clamhead
I see from your link that John Kerry is still mum about the windfarm. I guess he's waiting to see "which way the wind blows" first.
Or maybe he'll be for it before he's against it. Man, that felt good. I haven't busted on JFK for a few months. I guess since november.
I see from your link that John Kerry is still mum about the windfarm. I guess he's waiting to see "which way the wind blows" first.
Or maybe he'll be for it before he's against it. Man, that felt good. I haven't busted on JFK for a few months. I guess since november.Nothing is Free even the wind
Some day people will drive to see wind farms. Saw a bunch of them along interstate 10 in Texas. With global warming coastal areas will have more to worry about than a few windmills!!! Even catching energy from the tides will have effects. If the currents are slower that means less tidal flow and probably the water will be dirtier in the bay and cleaner out in the ocean. If you want to see eyesores go to West Virginia, SW Virgina, Kentucky and other places that are being strip mined for coal. Eyesore isn't the major problem with coal mining. I am sure that a few windmills, heck a lot of windmills is much better than mountains gouged out and left a mess. At least the acid runoff keeps the streams clean of aquatic life. Speaking of eyesores west Texas with oil pumps all over the place looks pretty bad.... Did I mention the oil platforms all over the Gulf of Mexico and the large tar balls along the Texas coast???? At least you don't have to use diesel or gasoline to clean tar off of your feet!!!! Tom
Some day people will drive to see wind farms. Saw a bunch of them along interstate 10 in Texas. With global warming coastal areas will have more to worry about than a few windmills!!! Even catching energy from the tides will have effects. If the currents are slower that means less tidal flow and probably the water will be dirtier in the bay and cleaner out in the ocean. If you want to see eyesores go to West Virginia, SW Virgina, Kentucky and other places that are being strip mined for coal. Eyesore isn't the major problem with coal mining. I am sure that a few windmills, heck a lot of windmills is much better than mountains gouged out and left a mess. At least the acid runoff keeps the streams clean of aquatic life. Speaking of eyesores west Texas with oil pumps all over the place looks pretty bad.... Did I mention the oil platforms all over the Gulf of Mexico and the large tar balls along the Texas coast???? At least you don't have to use diesel or gasoline to clean tar off of your feet!!!! Tom
Well
After reading a bit more about them, I realize they are actually offshore a few miles. I guess its not that bad....Funny one about John Kerry - he's waiting to see "which way the wind blows" first. Solution to the energy crises: buy a sailboat!
After reading a bit more about them, I realize they are actually offshore a few miles. I guess its not that bad....Funny one about John Kerry - he's waiting to see "which way the wind blows" first. Solution to the energy crises: buy a sailboat!
Hydroelectric
Check out a hydroelectric unit in N.C. Uses a dam to supply water. Water flows during the day and peak times. Then electric pumps take water back up behind the dam for the next day generation. Damn good idea that Dam. We can do stuff in this country if we get rid of the stoppers, if you know what I mean. Vote! Sorry for the soap box. time to go sailing!
Check out a hydroelectric unit in N.C. Uses a dam to supply water. Water flows during the day and peak times. Then electric pumps take water back up behind the dam for the next day generation. Damn good idea that Dam. We can do stuff in this country if we get rid of the stoppers, if you know what I mean. Vote! Sorry for the soap box. time to go sailing!
Local artist
Fred, the artist is Louis Guarnaccia, local guy who paints marine and wildlife. www.louisguarnaccia.com He did this piece for an agency www.stopwind.com I don't believe he's a big fan of the proposed wind farm.
Fred, the artist is Louis Guarnaccia, local guy who paints marine and wildlife. www.louisguarnaccia.com He did this piece for an agency www.stopwind.com I don't believe he's a big fan of the proposed wind farm.
not in my neighborhood...
if not there, then where??? As I see it, nobody wants these "ugly" wind farms generating power. SO I guess we all settle for high fuel prices, conflicts in the Middle East, and the small chance of a nuclear disaster............. If someone wanted to put the wind farm in my backyard I'd have no problem with that if it meant helping lower the need for foreign oil/power. Plus....we'll all know if the wind is up
if not there, then where??? As I see it, nobody wants these "ugly" wind farms generating power. SO I guess we all settle for high fuel prices, conflicts in the Middle East, and the small chance of a nuclear disaster............. If someone wanted to put the wind farm in my backyard I'd have no problem with that if it meant helping lower the need for foreign oil/power. Plus....we'll all know if the wind is up
No doubt about some of you guys
Just does not make sence that the one country in the world that probably contributes most to green house wast in the world has people that don't like clean generation just cos they look ugly.
Just does not make sence that the one country in the world that probably contributes most to green house wast in the world has people that don't like clean generation just cos they look ugly.
Sailors and wind farms
Seems confusing to me. We buy solar panels and wind machines for our boats and they sit there at anchor or in the harbor, but we don't like 'em helping everybody? The thing is like real estate: location, location, location. We have some close to home here, but the environmentalists, go figure, shut 'em down because they were killing birds. The environmentalists are fighting each other now! Kill birds or get non-fossil fuel energy!!! There's gotta be a better place to put them, but they sure seem like they are going to be necessary. Stu
Seems confusing to me. We buy solar panels and wind machines for our boats and they sit there at anchor or in the harbor, but we don't like 'em helping everybody? The thing is like real estate: location, location, location. We have some close to home here, but the environmentalists, go figure, shut 'em down because they were killing birds. The environmentalists are fighting each other now! Kill birds or get non-fossil fuel energy!!! There's gotta be a better place to put them, but they sure seem like they are going to be necessary. Stu
Why not nuclear?
Why isn't nuclear power ever even considered any more in this country? It's low cost power and is environmentally benign, doesn't deplete natural resources, etc. Other countries with far less technological expertise than the USA seem to get along fine with nuclear power and a reasonable level of safety. The storage issue continues to be one of the (but not the only) arguments against this fuel source, because the opponents want assurances that it will remain unaltered for something like 10,000 years. Seems like there's room for more common sense and compromise. (My $.02 FWIW)
Why isn't nuclear power ever even considered any more in this country? It's low cost power and is environmentally benign, doesn't deplete natural resources, etc. Other countries with far less technological expertise than the USA seem to get along fine with nuclear power and a reasonable level of safety. The storage issue continues to be one of the (but not the only) arguments against this fuel source, because the opponents want assurances that it will remain unaltered for something like 10,000 years. Seems like there's room for more common sense and compromise. (My $.02 FWIW)
Whatever works
Folks, Wind Farms might not win any beauty contest but we all should agree that we need to fix our costly fossel fuel problem. We could generate electricity from the waves and we can do it in selected areas that it wouldn't hurt or be an eyesore. We also could do what our neighbors in the UK do, actually Scotland. Scotland produces almost half of it's power from the water in it's lochs (lakes)in the highlands, They pump water from the lochs up the mountain side and then send the water back down the mountain under speed and pressure inside tubes. Just before the water reaches the end it traveles into a generating plant and produces current / electric. After the water passes through the plant it empties back into the loch and the process repeats itself. They produce so much power that they sell the remaining power to the rest of the UK (England) and they make a profit at it. It is worth yjr visit if you ever travel to the Highlands of Scotland. We have the resourses , the area and we still have problems. I wonder why? Hummmmm!
Folks, Wind Farms might not win any beauty contest but we all should agree that we need to fix our costly fossel fuel problem. We could generate electricity from the waves and we can do it in selected areas that it wouldn't hurt or be an eyesore. We also could do what our neighbors in the UK do, actually Scotland. Scotland produces almost half of it's power from the water in it's lochs (lakes)in the highlands, They pump water from the lochs up the mountain side and then send the water back down the mountain under speed and pressure inside tubes. Just before the water reaches the end it traveles into a generating plant and produces current / electric. After the water passes through the plant it empties back into the loch and the process repeats itself. They produce so much power that they sell the remaining power to the rest of the UK (England) and they make a profit at it. It is worth yjr visit if you ever travel to the Highlands of Scotland. We have the resourses , the area and we still have problems. I wonder why? Hummmmm!
GOOD AND BAD
Some good news, and some bad news: In East Germany, the power plants were so poluting that when unification came, they decided to shut them down and change over to wind power. 40% of their power now comes from the wind, and the % is increasing. In three days, our tour bus passed 4 new units on huge trailers on the highway. There are thousands in service. The wind farms don't look that bad, and are very quiet. That was the good news. In three days, we did not see any hawks, buzzards or any other large bird. That is definately bad news, and also explains why some environmentalist are so upset about wind farms. All soaring birds are at risk, and the wind farms are in the areas where they travel most. The problem is less off shore, but if that is an economic success, more units will be proposed on shore,and then the migrating birds will take a beating. They haven't found a way to scare the birds away. I never thought that I would feel bad because there were no buzzards around! Every energy source has its own ecological price.
Some good news, and some bad news: In East Germany, the power plants were so poluting that when unification came, they decided to shut them down and change over to wind power. 40% of their power now comes from the wind, and the % is increasing. In three days, our tour bus passed 4 new units on huge trailers on the highway. There are thousands in service. The wind farms don't look that bad, and are very quiet. That was the good news. In three days, we did not see any hawks, buzzards or any other large bird. That is definately bad news, and also explains why some environmentalist are so upset about wind farms. All soaring birds are at risk, and the wind farms are in the areas where they travel most. The problem is less off shore, but if that is an economic success, more units will be proposed on shore,and then the migrating birds will take a beating. They haven't found a way to scare the birds away. I never thought that I would feel bad because there were no buzzards around! Every energy source has its own ecological price.
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