Hello everyone, Time to get "Rushing Wind" out and put her in the water!!! Last fall several of you were talking about lowering the gooseneck, possibly replacing the fixed mount with a slider, effectively lowering the boom and the center of effort. I ordered a new mast side mount the other day and plan to experiment with this very soon, i.e this weekend. Anybody tried this yet? If so, at what height did you relocate it to and what was your impression? Any prior knowledge would be appreciated. Godspeed, Rusty
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DUCK !
Hi Rusty, I thought the whole idea of the boom being up highier was to keep you from getting "BOOMED" ! Thats one of the features that attracted me to the 170, "NO DUCKING" I know others were talking about trying this last year, I don't know if anyone did...... Let us know the results
Hi Rusty, I thought the whole idea of the boom being up highier was to keep you from getting "BOOMED" ! Thats one of the features that attracted me to the 170, "NO DUCKING" I know others were talking about trying this last year, I don't know if anyone did...... Let us know the results
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Mike
Slide mount
Rusty, A slider mount for this sounds like a great idea. Glenn's comment reminds me of sailing my dad's Laser at their northern Minnesota lake house each August. Talk about getting BOOMED if you don't time those tacks just right! I'm assuming you would lower the 170 boom to relatively HIGHER than a Laser or similar dinghy's boom?-- these require near-acrobatic ducking while coming about! How much below the stock gooseneck's position are you thinking of going? Bad for a guy who's about to take the ASA's basic keelboat and coastal cruising classes--- but how will the c-e change affect the boat's sailing? I assume it'll change the propensity to weather helm, shifting the c-e astern????? Mike s/v Lil Sport
Rusty, A slider mount for this sounds like a great idea. Glenn's comment reminds me of sailing my dad's Laser at their northern Minnesota lake house each August. Talk about getting BOOMED if you don't time those tacks just right! I'm assuming you would lower the 170 boom to relatively HIGHER than a Laser or similar dinghy's boom?-- these require near-acrobatic ducking while coming about! How much below the stock gooseneck's position are you thinking of going? Bad for a guy who's about to take the ASA's basic keelboat and coastal cruising classes--- but how will the c-e change affect the boat's sailing? I assume it'll change the propensity to weather helm, shifting the c-e astern????? Mike s/v Lil Sport
Sliding gooseneck for me too
I plan to do this as well... for the reasons you mention, and also as a way to get more tension on the luff - this mod will in effect give you a downhaul. You'll be able to position it aywhere you want, so if you find you don't like the effects when sailing with the boom much lower, you can alsways leave it back where it was, but at least you now have a downhaul! One effect may be to reduce a bit the tendency to flip - the center of effort is rather high with the stock "no ducking" setup, and this might help a bit. Rusty - please send pictures and a report when you are done. Sorry I can't be of more help...in fact, this mod might even have to wait till next season for me, as my priorities are the foaming and reefing. Good luck.
I plan to do this as well... for the reasons you mention, and also as a way to get more tension on the luff - this mod will in effect give you a downhaul. You'll be able to position it aywhere you want, so if you find you don't like the effects when sailing with the boom much lower, you can alsways leave it back where it was, but at least you now have a downhaul! One effect may be to reduce a bit the tendency to flip - the center of effort is rather high with the stock "no ducking" setup, and this might help a bit. Rusty - please send pictures and a report when you are done. Sorry I can't be of more help...in fact, this mod might even have to wait till next season for me, as my priorities are the foaming and reefing. Good luck.
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Jeff Wessel
Where can I get one?
Hi Rusty, Where did you get your slide mount? What was the model number? This sounds like something I would be interested in trying as well. In addition to the other things mentioned in this thread, I think that lowering the center of effort might help with another problem. It seems that I often end up out on days where the wind is light with moderate gusts. Since the 170 is a tender boat, the effect is one second you are bored out of your mind, the next second you are hiking for your life, then ten seconds later, you are diving for the center of the boat to prevent a back flip. Lowering the center of effort may help stabilize the boat more for days like that. Jeff
Hi Rusty, Where did you get your slide mount? What was the model number? This sounds like something I would be interested in trying as well. In addition to the other things mentioned in this thread, I think that lowering the center of effort might help with another problem. It seems that I often end up out on days where the wind is light with moderate gusts. Since the 170 is a tender boat, the effect is one second you are bored out of your mind, the next second you are hiking for your life, then ten seconds later, you are diving for the center of the boat to prevent a back flip. Lowering the center of effort may help stabilize the boat more for days like that. Jeff
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Rick S.
Dwyer Mast Co
Jeff, Last year I asked Dwyer Mast Co. to suggest a sliding gooseneck for the 170, and after the usual disclaimer about non-factory modifications, they pointed me to the link below. Once your are there, click on the picture of the DH-355-1L gooseneck assembly. An exploded parts diagram will appear. Diagram reference 8 is Dwyer part no. DH-4151S, the gooseneck slide. You can order this part separately, directly from Dwyer, for about $14. I bought one last summer but haven't installed it yet. I know that the spars and related fittings on my model-year 2004 170 came from Dwyer, and I'm assuming that the spars for all 170s are from the same supplier. Good luck! Rick
Jeff, Last year I asked Dwyer Mast Co. to suggest a sliding gooseneck for the 170, and after the usual disclaimer about non-factory modifications, they pointed me to the link below. Once your are there, click on the picture of the DH-355-1L gooseneck assembly. An exploded parts diagram will appear. Diagram reference 8 is Dwyer part no. DH-4151S, the gooseneck slide. You can order this part separately, directly from Dwyer, for about $14. I bought one last summer but haven't installed it yet. I know that the spars and related fittings on my model-year 2004 170 came from Dwyer, and I'm assuming that the spars for all 170s are from the same supplier. Good luck! Rick
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Jeff Wessel
Thanks
Rick, Thanks for the the link. For $14, there is no excuse not to give it a shot. Looks like I will have to rig a downhaul to make it work. I was under the impression that the slider would some how lock into the track at a position of your choosing. I guess if you found a place you liked, you could always drill a hole through the track and use a keeper pin.
Rick, Thanks for the the link. For $14, there is no excuse not to give it a shot. Looks like I will have to rig a downhaul to make it work. I was under the impression that the slider would some how lock into the track at a position of your choosing. I guess if you found a place you liked, you could always drill a hole through the track and use a keeper pin.
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Rusty
Still Waiting on Parts
Hello all, I have not yet received the gooseneck yet, so nothing has been done. Sorry... In reading the posts that have responded, a few things to mention. Dwyer Mast Company does provide JY with many on the fittings, as well as the mast and boom, on the 170. Their website is a nice stopping ground for hardware. As for the slider, Part number DH-4151S, I don't know if that is the way I would put a slider together. I would mount a short track onto the aft of the mast (after cutting away the sail track) and have a slider that pinned into holes in the track. A very positive and secure stop. The above mentioned part will slide, but it still needs to be realiably "stopped". I am not going through the hassle of mounting a slider until I see what happens with the fixed gooseneck. It probably will be all we need (and then some). Anyway, I'll let you know how it turns out. By the way...found hull cracks this past weekend. Broke my heart. The cracks are not anywhere near the mast. A 6" crack extends from the starboard side, second screw from the top on the Gudgeon mount!!! A second crack extends from about half way along this crack to the top, front of the "hump" which the gudgeon mounts to. Bummer.... I guess I get to fix that... Not under warranty, but Hunter was very helpful on how to fix it. Godspeed, Rusty
Hello all, I have not yet received the gooseneck yet, so nothing has been done. Sorry... In reading the posts that have responded, a few things to mention. Dwyer Mast Company does provide JY with many on the fittings, as well as the mast and boom, on the 170. Their website is a nice stopping ground for hardware. As for the slider, Part number DH-4151S, I don't know if that is the way I would put a slider together. I would mount a short track onto the aft of the mast (after cutting away the sail track) and have a slider that pinned into holes in the track. A very positive and secure stop. The above mentioned part will slide, but it still needs to be realiably "stopped". I am not going through the hassle of mounting a slider until I see what happens with the fixed gooseneck. It probably will be all we need (and then some). Anyway, I'll let you know how it turns out. By the way...found hull cracks this past weekend. Broke my heart. The cracks are not anywhere near the mast. A 6" crack extends from the starboard side, second screw from the top on the Gudgeon mount!!! A second crack extends from about half way along this crack to the top, front of the "hump" which the gudgeon mounts to. Bummer.... I guess I get to fix that... Not under warranty, but Hunter was very helpful on how to fix it. Godspeed, Rusty
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