Big Mistakes are meant to be Made

Aug 16, 2016
3
Catalina 22 Cape May, New Jersey
I just joined the site yesterday and went right to the Catalina 22 section.
Ironically, for the past two weeks I have been obsessed with the sailboat. So now for viewing enjoyment see what a huge mistake I have made. Or not.

If you feel like you must laugh, please do so, you can even call me a dumb a (here), but never to my face.

In June of 2010 I purchased from craiglist the 1976 Catalina 22 #6771 for about one large. I sailed the boat 4 times as it was in the water when I bought it. Note: Hard to inspect the keel on these when that's the case.
I love the KentMoor marina as it was just beside the KentMoor airpark grass strip and directly opposite Annapolis on the Chesapeake. I would fly down and sail for the day and then head home to PA.
Shortly after, I had a massive heart attack and became preoccupied with somewhat more important things. Duh!
The boat has been sitting in the corner of my farm property for three years plus It was on the hard for a while. Now I want to fix it up and sail it.

Here's what's wrong:
MAST
While recuperating I tried to take the mast down and dropped it. I lost a spreader on the port side (it snapped off pretty cleanly). The bottom is damaged but I think I have a solution to repair it myself. The mast step plate needs replaced and I will obviously have to inspect the underside for serviceability.

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Compression Post:
Looks like a crack and depression on the trunk where the compression post rests. Needs to be inspected and repaired.
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Topsides Forward Deck:
In the picture below, to the right of the forward hatch, the deck gives just a little but seems pretty solid. On the left however, it has a lot of give and is mushy. From the bow to hatch is somewhat flexible. Opinions welcomed on this as I just don't know what to do. Obviously, when everything else is fixed, this won't prevent me from sailing.
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Keel:
Need I say more? It's a Catalina 22 for crying out loud. It made the obvious clunking noises when I first sailed it but didn't know anything about the keel issues then. The yardman at the marina did say, "I'm surprised that keel isn't at the bottom of the bay somewhere."
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Name:
The boat was named "Water Music" by the PO. I obviously want to rename it. My friend told me that every time I sailed out of the channel in KentMoor people would say, "Hey look!. Jack's Off!"
Ironically, the guys on the hard beside me at KentMoor marina had a bay boat and they could pound 2 or 3 cases between the four of them before 8 AM. There boat was called "Bud Light." No kidding.

Let the fun begin!
 
Aug 1, 2011
3,972
Catalina 270 255 Wabamun. Welcome to the marina
Spongy decks are easy on the feet, but this outright busted stuff......
Get another one, and use this one for parts.
 
Mar 20, 2015
3,215
C&C 30 Mk1 Winnipeg
That crack at the compression post is usually due to a rotted wood support which is under that fibreglass, which transfers the load to the bottom of the hull. Some people have cut a hole in the top and repaired it, others have done the repair from under the dining table seat. Usually requires removal of the compression post

For large deck areas, with rotted wood coring, you would normally have to cut out the top of the deck, remove+replace all the rotted wood coring, epoxy the deck skin back on, and paint the deck to hide the repair.

It's a hell of a LOT of work just to get the hull solid, with the compression post support and the rotted deck coring.

Before I'd even start, I'd do a complete survey of the boat, to get a list of everything that needs to be done.
Are the stingers in the hull rotted too ? Does it need standing rigging ? Etc etc.
The list will help you decide if the project is worth it to you from both a time and money standpoint.

Unless you have done a bunch of similar boats, to give you an accurate idea.... ANY boat will cost WAY more money and WAY more time than you will ever expect it to.

Some perspective....For $3000....MUCH less that it would cost to fix your boat, you can get a C22 in much better condition.
https://southjersey.craigslist.org/boa/5721089158.html

Good luck.
 
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kito

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Sep 13, 2012
2,011
1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
If you are a do-it-yourselfer, it really doesn't look bad to me. I am not sure what is wrong with the keel. Just looks rusty to me. You should have seen mine when I bought it ;) . I would fix the mast, step and post and go sailing.
 
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RJD

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Aug 31, 2013
144
Catalina 22 Chesapeake Bay, Deale, MD
Buy a turn key one and get sailing.
In the Chesapeake Bay area there are at least three on Craigslist now:
- 1985, $2500, Solomons Island, MD
- 1986, $6900, Wrightsville, PA
- 1987, $7000, Annapolis, MD
 
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Aug 2, 2009
651
Catalina 315 Muskegon
Even if I actually liked working on boats, I'd find a better boat. Ugh. See what you can get for the scrap value of the keel, and the trailer, and junk the rest.

Or, just put it on Craigslist..."great condition, sail away now".
 
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Apr 20, 2016
47
Catalina 22 293 Huntington Lake, CA
If you want to sail when you want to sail, buy another boat. If you want to sail, and want to learn boat repair, buy another boat, and start collecting tools. When your significant other asks about the boat wright catalogs, samples of sail cloth and resins, explain some things are exciting... like sailing, and somethings are refreshing and relaxing. I have found that a long hot shower after grinding the new profile for my rudder to be most relaxing, and makes me sleep better, which lowers my stress and blood pressure. Shopping for tools and wood and fasteners, also refreshes me. Mixing just the right ratio of resin and hardener makes me feel like I did something REAL, you know? Sometimes, the feel of the buffer after the second coat of wax makes my arms tingle for a couple hours, and I know that shine, well, I did that. If I spend enough time to really doing expensive things with tools I really can't explain to my wife, I get (have) to sleep on the boat, and well, that usually isn't all that relaxing... in my driveway... but, it is all about the feeling of pride, accomplishment, and knowing you can just buy a ready to sail boat, but choose to make a sail boat ready. Or not. Maybe it's about the pounding through the swells rather than the spongy deck and compression post.... and you know, peace in our lifetime.
 
Oct 3, 2011
832
Anam Cara Catalina 310 Hull #155 155 Lake Erie/Catawba Island
You have to decide WHY you want a boat... You need something to do in your life, work on, dr.'s visit, spend more money, acquire new friends-Parts suppliers, yard men ETC ? OR you want to go sailing with a little work.
We owned a Catalina 22 for 10 years and raised our kids on, raced it and left it better than we got it, had great memories but we started with a good basic boat. I would spend a little money, get a good boat, have fun sailing than get some of your friends who want to go sailing help a little on the boat! It is a good boat to sail/learn on.
I would use the other boat for parts than sell the trailer or use it for your new boat. There is a point where you get a "thing" car, boat etc. that you need to move away as it has too much of your money or life sucked into it.
Just my Humble opinion.
 
Aug 16, 2016
61
Catalina C22 Panama City, Fl
Jack, i feel you man. My thought if my potential money pit had spongy decks and such is to get yourself a survey before you give up and walk away. If you then still think "hey i think i can/might want to take this on", then go for it. As said else where on this forum, "your boat, your choice".

Fair winds and blue skies,
Geoff
 
Nov 26, 2012
1,654
C&C 40-2 Berkeley
$1000 is nothing for a sailboat. I spent five times that on new sails. You will spend more fixing that boat than you will on another boat. In the words of Max Ebb "Nothing is more expensive than a cheap boat" Get another boat.
 
Jun 28, 2016
334
Hunter 23.5 Paupack, PA
Yo Jack, Cap'n Blow Hard here... Actually, you did not make a mistake. Examine what just happened. Purchasing this boat helped you focus on what you really-really want. You only had to buy this boat to see - and feel it! Yes man, you could have paid for someone's ice cold expert opinion and maybe gotten the boat for free - but that's not always how we roll. You had to invest in it, touch it, and feel it with your hands - maybe even wallow in it in your barn! "Yeah-baby!" Buying THIS boat affirmed your commitment to the idea of sailing - and life itself brother! That's priceless! Worth twice as much as you paid. Now, all you have to do is - go out and find YOUR boat man! Ok, I'm tearing up...

I'm in your area (Dublin PA). Nocamixon is loaded with plenty of lovely fresh water lake boats that would serve you well in the bay. Cruise Craigslist in our area - you are bound to find some possibilities. That's where I found my H23.5 brother. But I almost bought a MacGregor 26S - twice! I actually lost 250 on a deposit for a Mac 26S when I found a second one in better shape for twice as much. Then it finally hit me that I really-really wanted an H23.5, and I found her, in excellent condition. It was like finding my dream girl. Don't forget Boat Trader (Shopper?) and eBay.

I'm up at Lake Wallenpaupack. There are many sailboats. Most sell on Craigslist (Poconos), but the Paupack Sailing Club might also list some. None of the marinas sell new, but Lighthouse Harbor Marina might have a couple used. I had my eye on a Mac 26M up there. Owner wanted 10k, which was about 5k below current avg price. That might be my next boat (#9) for the bay. Don't forget the Finger Lakes region - not that far.

The further north you look, the better the boat. This is not from me, but from a Canadian YouTube blogger. I would think seriously about a Canadian lake boat. Yup, baby fresh bottom, no salt, no sun, short seasons. You want one that has been lovingly cared for, bathed every year in pristine waters, pulled out, toweled off, powdered, bubble wrapped, and put away. You also have a currency advantage right now.

Good luck man!
G
 
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druid

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Apr 22, 2009
837
Ontario 32 Pender Harbour
You know, I've seen a lot worse. The crack in the mast step is a concern, but you could probably sail her for years without the mast going through the hull (or whatever other disaster the other posters think will happen...). Even more with the deck: a spongy deck says the inner sandwich material is rotten, but that doesn't mean the deck will collapse imminently. The mast does look like it needs some work, but I can't see exactly what's wrong from the picture. And I can't see what the problem is with the keel. You WOULD need to ensure it doesn't fall off... ;)

It's amazing how imperfect a boat can be and still provide years of safe enjoyment on the water. Make sure the engine is sound, the sails aren't TOO blown out, and the standing and running rigging is up to snuff, and you're good to go!

druid
 
Jun 23, 2013
271
Beneteau 373 Newport
Spongy fwd deck- if you are not planning on spending time jumping on it, find find the leak, seal it and go sailing. If you want to repair, go from under - remove or cut out liner area, glue up new core.
 

Pat

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Jun 7, 2004
1,250
Oday 272LE Ninnescah Yacht Club, Wichita, Ks.
The wet wooden block under the mast in the cabin is serious....we were racing in a Catalina 30 in some pretty stiff winds and the cabin top split from side deck to side deck right thru the mast step...the side stay broke but we were not dismasted....we limped back to shore and the owner began looking for a cause and discovered enough water in the bilge that the wood blocking for the mast had decayed to the point that he could stick a pencil thru the block of wet wood......He did repair the supporting block (or put in a new one); I'm not sure which....but it has not happened again....but wet wood blocking under masts can be a big time problem...