2 strokes on Lake Tahoe?

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Oct 31, 2010
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88' Macgregor 26D Whiskeytown Lake, CA
Hi all,

Anyone know here if the officials at Lake Tahoe will allow small two stroke out boards on the lake? Just about to buy a newer, lighter outboard, the two cycles out there are extremely light in the 5hp range. Any suggestions on motors would be greatly appreciated as well?
 
Jun 3, 2004
1,863
Macgregor 25 So. Cal.
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WARNING:
Many two-stroke engines have been banned on Lake Tahoe and other area lakes. See details
below.
The following information is reprinted courtesy of the Tahoe Regional Planning Agency (TRPA),
the bi-state (CA and NV) regulatory agency which established these boating ordinances.
A Consumer's Guide To Boating Lake Tahoe
Clean Boating Practices Mean Better Water Quality​
Studies have shown that carbureted two-stroke engines may discharge up to 20-30% of their fuel, unburned, into the air and water. In order to reduce the impact of motorized vessels on water quality, the Tahoe Regional Planning Agency (TRPA) has adopted new regulations restricting the use of certain marine engines on lakes in the Tahoe Region. This information was published as part of a cooperative effort among TRPA, the State of California, and the State of Nevada, to inform boaters about the new rules and help them determine whether their watercraft can be used on affected lakes, including Lake Tahoe.
In addition, TRPA has adopted an ordinance that establishes a 600-foot no-wake zone around Lake Tahoe to minimize the noise impacts of motorized watercraft on residents, visitors and wildlife. The speed limit for all vessels is 5 miles per hour or less in a zone extending from the shoreline to 600 feet from the shore. These standards are enforced by the TRPA Watercraft Team. It operates a patrol boat on the Lake seven days a week from May through September each year. You may contact them by calling “Marine 14” on VHF radio hailing channel 16.
For more information please call the TRPA Watercraft Enforcement Team at 775-588-4547, ext. 298, from May through September only.

The following engines are still allowed on lakes in the Tahoe Region:
  • Direct fuel injection (DFI) two-stroke engines
  • Two-stroke engines that meet the California Air Resources Board 2001 or the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) 2006 emissions standard
  • All four stroke personal watercraft engines
  • All four stroke gasoline or diesel sterndrive/inboard engines
  • All four stroke outboard engines
The following engines are no longer legal on Tahoe Region lakes:
Any engine that does not meet the U.S. EPA 2006 or the California Air Resources Board (CARB) 2001 emissions standard, including:
  • Electronically Fuel Injected (EFI) or Rotax Fuel Injected (RFI) two-stroke engines purchased before January 27, 1999
  • Any carbureted two-stroke engines
  • Any engine that meets the US EPA 2001 standard only
These new requirements will be in effect on all lakes within the Tahoe Region.

The following personal watercraft are approved for use on Lake Tahoe:
All direct fuel injected (DFI) jet skis or personal watercraft are acceptable well into the foreseeable future. Personal watercraft must meet EPA 2006 or CARB 2001 Standards!
As of July 2008 some of the legally accepted models of personal watercraft are:
WAVERUNNERS & JETSKISModelYearHonda F122002-2007Honda F122002-2007Honda R122004-2007Honda R12X2004-2007Honda F12X GPScape2005-2007Kawasaki STX-15F2004-2007Kawasaki STX-12F2003-2007Kawasaki STX-R2004Kawasaki Ultra 2502007Kawasaki Ultra2007Kawasaki Ultra 130-DI2001-2004Kawasaki 1100STX DI2000-2003Polaris MSX-1502003-2007Polaris MSX-1402003-2007Polaris MSX-1102003-2007Polaris Genesis I2001-2007Polaris Virage I2002-2007Polaris Genesis FFI1999-2002Polaris Virage TXI2001-2002Sea-Doo RX2005-2007Sea-Doo GTX-4TEC Ltd Supercharged2003-2007Sea-Doo GTX-4TEC Supercharged2003-2007Sea-Doo GTX-4TEC2002-2007Sea-Doo RXP2004-2007Sea-Doo GTX-4TEC Wakeboard2003-2007Sea-Doo XP DI2003-2004Sea-Doo GTX DI2000-2003Sea-Doo RX-DI2000-2003Sea-Doo LRV DI2002-2003Sea-Doo GTI2006-2007Sea-Doo GTI SE2006-2007Sea-Doo 3D DI2006-2007Tigershark TS1100LI1999Yamaha VX110 Deluxe & Sport2005-2007Yamaha FX High Output2005-2007Yamaha FX Cruiser High Output2005-2007Yamaha FX Cruiser2005-2007Yamaha FX 1402002-2007Yamaha GP1300R2003-2007Yamaha FX1000A2003Yamaha FX10002003Yamaha FX High Output2006-2007Yamaha FX2006-2007BOATSModelYearSea-Doo Speedster 2002006-2007Sea-Doo Speedster 1502007Sea-Doo Speedster Wake2006-2007Sea-Doo Wake 2302007Sea-Doo Sportster2006Sea-Doo Sportster SCIC2006Sea-Doo Challenger 1802006-2007Sea-Doo Challenger 180 CS2006-2007Sea-Doo Challenger 230 SE2007Sea-Doo Utopia 2052006-2007Sea-Doo Utopia 205 SE2006-2007Sea-Doo Islandia2006-2007Sea-Doo Islandia SE2006-2007Yamaha SX230 High Output2006-2007Yamaha SX2302006-2007Yamaha SX2102006-2007Yamaha SR2102006-2007Yamaha AR230 High Output2006-2007Yamaha AR2302006-2007Yamaha AR2102006-2007This list is an example of known vendors and models at this time. Other makes and models may be acceptable for use on Tahoe Region lakes. Please check with the equipment dealer or manufacturer if unsure.

FAQ's - Frequently Asked Questions about the Regulations on Lake Tahoe
Q: Where do these engine regulations apply?
A: These regulations apply on Lake Tahoe, Echo Lake, Cascade Lake and Fallen Leaf Lake.
Q: Who can enforce the ordinances?

A: The TRPA Watercraft Team enforces the ordinances and the states and local counties may give warnings based on the ordinances. It operates a patrol boat on the lake seven days a week from May through September each year.
Q: How can I tell if my two-stroke engine is direct fuel injected?
A: At this time, all engines that are direct fuel injected are labeled with either a Ficht™ or Optimax™ logo, or HPDI (Yamaha).
Q: How can I tell if my two-stroke engine is electronically fuel injected?
A: All engines with this feature are labeled as "electronic fuel injection" or "EFI". These engines are now banned from Tahoe area lakes as of 10/1/01.
Q: How can I tell if my two-stroke engine meets the EPA 2006 or CARB 2001 standard?
A: At this time, the only two-stroke engines that meet either standard are direct fuel injected (DFI), and are labeled with either a Ficht™ or Optimax™ logo. Recent regulations of the California Air Resources Board require all new two-stroke engines that comply with the CARB 2001 standard to have a manufacturer's label affixed showing the emission level. Some manufacturers have voluntarily labeled new engines to show that they meet the standards.
Q: Can I sell my engine if it does not comply with Lake Tahoe emissions laws?
A: Yes, these engines may still be used in other waters. Consult your local dealer about sales, trade-ins or purchasing a new, compliant motor.
Q: What can I do to limit the environmental impacts of boating?
  • Make sure your older engine is tuned for the altitude of Lake Tahoe (elev. 6225 feet).
  • Always follow the instructions in the owner's manual or seek the advice of your dealer.
  • Never attempt yourself to alter or adjust new technology outboard and personal watercraft (PWC) engines.
  • Check, clean and flush your engine well away from the water.
  • Check and add engine lubricating oil only in designated areas.
  • Do not wash engine parts on or near the lake -use proper containers and disposal techniques.
  • Refuel personal watercraft (PWC) and boats away from the lake whenever possible or use fuel spill prevention devices.
  • Have gas and oil leaks repaired immediately upon detection.
  • Use bilge pillows and engine pads to absorb oil and fuel, and dispose of them properly.
  • Unless there is an emergency, avoid pump out of bilge except in designated areas.
  • Use proper disposal methods for contaminated bilge water.
For further questions contact:
TRPA Watercraft Enforcement Team
P.O. Box 5310
Stateline, NV 89449-5310
E-mail: wet@trpa.org This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
775-588-4547, ext. 298
VHF Marine Band: Call “Marine 14” on hailing channel 16 (seasonally)
Information above reprinted courtesy of:
Tahoe Regional Planning Agency
128 Market St.
P.O. Box 5310
Stateline, NV 89449-5310
 
Oct 31, 2010
136
88' Macgregor 26D Whiskeytown Lake, CA
Thank you...guess I'll definatley be looking for a four stroke!

Thanks Timebandit!
 
Jun 3, 2004
1,863
Macgregor 25 So. Cal.
I do not think they make a small two stroke that will work.

I have an electric motor for lakes like those.

People often ask why my little gas motor is conected to a trolling motor plug for charging the battery and why so heavy wires to the batteries.
 
Jul 24, 2005
261
MacGregor Mac26D Richardson, TX; Dana Point, CA
I, for one, am very, very grateful to the men and women who work on and support out clean boating regulations.

I had several 2 cycle outboards. Put them up on a motor stand - and every one of them put out oil and gas in the cooling water... Got rid of them (hopefully - for parts)....

Small electrics and 4cycles are the way to go...

--jr
 
Aug 20, 2011
75
Macgregor 25 Sacramento, CA
Timebandit, which electric motor do you use? I'm looking at them to use on our mountain lakes for my V222.
 
Jun 3, 2004
1,863
Macgregor 25 So. Cal.
I really do not know what to tell you.

I have have had it for years and it is from Sears and has just enuff power to move the boat around and away from the dock.

It has 1 to 10 power setting and fwd and rev.

It is not fast but is just better than rowing.:D

Timebandit, which electric motor do you use? I'm looking at them to use on our mountain lakes for my V222.
 

Tom J

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Sep 30, 2008
2,304
Catalina 310 Quincy, MA
Once you go to the 4-stroke, you'll never go back to the 2-stroke. They are much quieter and use much less fuel. I'm thinking of replacing my Mercury 3.3 2-stroke with the 1.5 HP Torqueedo electric. It is expensive, but it is robust and waterproof, and I can charge it from the solar panel on my sailboat.
 
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