What is it?

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  1. Bama Boy

    Bama Boy

    Joined Feb 26, 2019
    10 posts, 5 likes
    Pearson 31-2
    Roll Tide US Chester MD
    Can anyone tell me what this is. It is located on the port side of the cockpit backrest between the propane cover and lazerette opening. It has a stainless steel rod that was sticking out slightly. I pushed on it and I heard a click and now it won't budge inside this black covering. Its inside a small "box" with a hose connected to it but I simply can't figure what it does and how to get it back in the position is was. I've looked for it on the boat schematics but it doesn't show up.

    I have a theory it has something to do with the bilge pump. Anyone know what it is and does? Thanks! Sam
     

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  2. WayneH

    WayneH

    Joined Jan 22, 2008
    668 posts, 132 likes
    Tartan 37
    US Pensacola Shipyard, FL
    It's the cover for the manual bilge pump. The steel rod moves up and down to pump water out of the boat. The "box" behind the fiberglass is the pump and there should be two hoses on it. One to the bilge and one going overboard.
     


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  3. bawlmer

    bawlmer

    Joined Sep 15, 2013
    490 posts, 85 likes
    Catalina 270
    270 Mystic US Baltimore
    It is the remains of a manual bilge pump. The stainless steel rod is probably the handle. If you could push it into the black faceplate and it can't move then the pump is most probably broken. When it is functioning the rod fits inside a hole in the black face plate. Then you move the rod up and down and that motion causes the pump to pump water out of the bilge. I would try to determine the manufacturer. Others on this forum may know right away. In some cases replacement parts are available. I would definitely try to fix or replace it as it is a safety item.
     


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  4. SG

    SG

    Joined Feb 11, 2017
    1,420 posts, 271 likes
    J/Boat J/160
    US Annapolis
    I'ts not the remains (or is not likely to be) -- the removable handle is probably somewhere on the boat? You insert the handle in and pump.
     


  5. StargazerP303

    StargazerP303

    Joined Oct 22, 2014
    274 posts, 88 likes
    Pearson P303 #221
    US RockPort Maine
    It is the remains of your manual bilge pump and boy I mean REMAINS. Yes! the stainless steel rod is probably the handle. If you try and push it into the old black faceplate and you can or can't move the pump up and down it's most probably broken. However, Whether or not it moves then the checkout begins.
    1. How old is the unit? 10years! Replace
    2. Check all hoses for, cracks, age, and stiffness that's "Pump to the bilge" and "Bilge to out the boat". any questions or feelings as to age or thoughts of well maybe later... Replace with new!
    It's a safety issue and not to be taken for granted. Some of us here know and have had to use one before.
    Best of luck. Capt Rob Pearcon303
     


  6. Stu Jackson

    Stu Jackson

    Joined Feb 26, 2004
    20,461 posts, 894 likes
    Catalina 34
    224 CA Maple Bay, BC, Canada
    Yes, those suggestions are correct. Most production boats used Whale diaphragm pumps. Check any chandlery supply house like WM or Defender, find the pump, compare it to yours and find the installation manual, download it for your model. That manual will have all the parts in a big exploded diagram. Once you figure out what you have, you can evaluate the condition of the pump itself and go from there.
    Good luck. Whatever ails it is fixable! :) Or replaceable.
    Take your pick.:)
    Your boat, your choice.:)
     


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  7. Bama Boy

    Bama Boy

    Joined Feb 26, 2019
    10 posts, 5 likes
    Pearson 31-2
    Roll Tide US Chester MD
    Thanks to all of you - next time at the boat this coming week I'll climb into the lazarette, remove it and either fix it or get a replacement.

    Thanks again !!
     


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  8. SG

    SG

    Joined Feb 11, 2017
    1,420 posts, 271 likes
    J/Boat J/160
    US Annapolis
    I believe that Pearson's may have used the Bosworth pump rather than the Whale Pump. Bama Boy: Do you have the removable handle which has a hollow end? That's what you'll use to connect to the SS "rod" to actually pump.

    It is possible that the diaphragm has dry rotted out and is "locked-up"; however, I wouldn't think it would lock-up.

    [img class="img-responsive center-block" alt="Guzzler® GH-M400D " src="https://www.thebosworthco.com/images/r/gh-m400d_v1_co_500x266.png">
    Identifying Features
    • Flush-mount style clamp ring
    • Removable handle
    • Inlet and outlet ports on opposite sides of body
    • 4 screws secure inlet and outlet flanges to body
    • Color: Gray




    https://www.thebosworthco.com/products/replacement.php

    [img class="img-responsive center-block" alt="Guzzler® GH-M400D "

    Identifying Features
    • Flush-mount style clamp ring
    • Removable handle
    • Inlet and outlet ports on opposite sides of body
    • 4 screws secure inlet and outlet flanges to body
    • Color: Gray
     


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  9. Bama Boy

    Bama Boy

    Joined Feb 26, 2019
    10 posts, 5 likes
    Pearson 31-2
    Roll Tide US Chester MD
    I do have the handle - which I now know what its for!
     


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  10. StargazerP303

    StargazerP303

    Joined Oct 22, 2014
    274 posts, 88 likes
    Pearson P303 #221
    US RockPort Maine
    One other thing you might consider would be to add an emergency raw water bilge by running an extra hose that tees off of your engines raw water pump. I once had a seacock that gave way while under sail 25NM offshore and my electric bilge pump could not keep up with the amount of water flowing into the bilge. Had my wife on the manual bilge pump while motor sailing to port. She didn't last long though. so we traded places, and Yes! it was work I needed to get all sails down and pump too.... lol We did ok until it was time for haul-out luckily the marina was able to take me out quickly so we motored to docks but kept the motor running till time to haul out, just in case the engine would not start again for some reason.
    After this event, I decided after talking to some other boaters to install an adjustable flow valve that can control the flow rate on how much water the engine removes over time. To test this out I put a garden hose in beige and started the engine with the valve closed then turned the water on to a water flow we had coming into our vessel. Now proceeded to adjust the valve to keep the water level maintained but not drained totally to keep from getting air into the engine. After this, I made markings on the valve positions and on the bilge walls showing 10,20,30.. etc. Gallons. And the rest is history.
    Note: I did put a flat strainer/filter on the hose end in the bilge to prevent the large particles getting into the engine.
    It also makes a great winterizing a breeze..lol
    hope this helps! Capt. Rob
     


  11. Benny17441

    Benny17441

    Joined May 24, 2004
    5,741 posts, 415 likes
    CC 30
    US South Florida
    Don't waste money and time, just replace with a new one.
     


  12. Project_Mayhem

    Project_Mayhem

    Joined Sep 24, 2018
    313 posts, 61 likes
    O'Day 25
    US Waukegan
    You can probably buy a rebuild kit. The one for my Guzzler 500 series was about $25 shipped. It included two valves and a diaphram. It's at least 15 years old but works like new now
     


  13. Bama Boy

    Bama Boy

    Joined Feb 26, 2019
    10 posts, 5 likes
    Pearson 31-2
    Roll Tide US Chester MD
    Going to remove it next time we're at the marina and see if a new one or a rebuild kit is the nest solution - thanks for the opinion.
     




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