Weather for Mariners

Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
I DL'ed a copy and will read when I get a little time. Brian, do you know if this can be distributed? I am thinking of our USPS Weather class and other USPS classes.
That's a nice PDF and a nice find. But for marine weather classes, I'd go with the gold standard, Starpath's on-line (or instructed) Modern Marine Weather class based on the excellent, eponymous book.

http://www.starpath.com/catalog/courses/1804bc.htm

the book is available here, and also as an ebook.

https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Marine-Weather-Traditions-Technology/dp/0914025333/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=9AC7P48KY6YMAZ4KGK6F&dpID=61fn8wddo%2BL&preST=_SX218_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=detail
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,002
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
I wonder in what circumstances a recreational sail boater would substitute his/her own interpretation of a weather FAX with that of a NOAA weather broadcast if opinions differed? I'd say none, or hardly even one. So, where would that leave us regarding weather training courses; in the world of professional blue-water sailors?
 
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Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
I wonder in what circumstances a recreational sail boater would substitute his/her own interpretation of a weather FAX with that of a NOAA weather broadcast if opinions differed? I'd say none, or hardly none. So, where would that leave us regarding weather training courses; in the world of professional blue-water sailors?
Interesting thought. Once I got 'into this', I always liked reading the NOAA forecaster's 'discussions' section on the forecast. It talks about their thinking into what created their outlook. Interesting reading.

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Duluth MN
636 AM CDT Fri Sep 22 2017

.SHORT TERM...(Today through Saturday)
Issued at 234 AM CDT Fri Sep 22 2017

Surface low pressure was centered over western Nebraska early
this morning with a quasi-stationary/cool front extending east
then northeast into the Red River Valley. A warm front stretched
from near Grand Forks eastward across the southern portions of the
forecast area. The warm front will continue lifting northward and
move into Ontario this morning. Meanwhile, the surface low will
lift quickly northeast across South Dakota and into northwest
Minnesota by this evening. Thunderstorms ongoing across Minnesota,
Ontario, and South Dakota seem to be aided by a strong south to
southwesterly LLJ. Latest RAP guidance suggests the winds aloft
will begin to weaken over the next few hours. The HRRR agrees with
this solution. If the short-range guidance pans out, storms in
our forecast area may be near their peak intensity. The next few
hours will be quite telling. Many of the other high res models,
including the NCAR ensemble show the South Dakota convection
congealing into an eastward propagating MCS, moving across our
southern CWA later this morning. GOES-16 water vapor imagery
supports the analysis of the RAP and HRRR with the location and
strength of the LLJ, but the trend of the last hour has been for
veering winds without much decrease in intensity. Given the
satellite data and the broad consensus toward continued storm
activity, have leaned more toward the latter solutions and kept
POPs high across my south through late morning.

The other big story will be the very warm temperatures today and
Saturday. With strong warm air advection aloft and efficient
mixing, near-record highs are forecast for most of the Northland
today, with northwest Wisconsin seeing the warmest temperatures.
Highs are forecast in the low to middle 70s along the
International Border to near 90 degrees across central and east-
central Minnesota and northwest Wisconsin. Maximum heat index
values will be near 100 degrees, as well. Another round of
thunderstorms is expected tonight, some may be strong or severe.
Rain chances continue across the northern CWA Saturday with partly
to mostly sunny skies farther south. Temperatures will be warm
once again over east-central Minnesota and northwest Wisconsin.
Cooler temperatures and mainly cloudy skies are likely for the
remainder of the Northland.

.LONG TERM...(Saturday night through Thursday)
Issued at 234 AM CDT Fri Sep 22 2017

The deep upper level trough over the western CONUS/Canada will
only make slow progress toward the east through Monday. A frontal
boundary over the Northland will also only move slowly as a result
of the southerly flow aloft. High PWAT values, around 1.5 inches,
which is quite high for this time of year, will remain in place
across much of the region through Tuesday. There will be a high
chance for showers and storms across much of northern Minnesota
Saturday night into Sunday night. Due to the moisture present,
frontal boundary, and shortwaves in southerly flow aloft, heavy
rain, possibly leading to some flooding, will be a threat over
parts of northern Minnesota. Highs Sunday will be warmest over
northwest Wisconsin where shower/storm coverage will be lowest.
Highs there will be in the upper seventies to lower eighties.
Highs will be in the sixties over far north and west areas of the
Northland where cloud cover and storm/shower coverage will be
greatest.

The upper trough will make some eastward progress later Monday
into Tuesday and a surface low will lift north and the front will
finally make it to our eastern zones or pass just east of there.
More showers and storms will occur Monday through Tuesday with
higher chances across northern Wisconsin as well. Storm total
rainfall today through Tuesday will be from 1 to 4 inches with the
higher amounts most likely over central Minnesota into the far
northeast. There will likely be some locally higher amounts due to
thunderstorms repeatedly affecting the same areas.

The chance for showers/storms will end for most areas by
Wednesday and temperatures will continue to cool with highs in the
mid fifties to around sixty. There will be mainly low chances for
showers Thursday and Friday with cooler temperatures continuing.

.DLH WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
WI...None.
MN...None.
LS...None.

SHORT TERM...Huyck
LONG TERM...Melde
AVIATION...Melde
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,002
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Yeah-- I usually read the forecast discussions as well, especially if I'm a few days out from a trip I'm planning. I once called up one of the NOAA forecasters to chat about NOAA's use of subzonal forecast terminology. The forecasts are grouped zonally, but the forecaster can say stuff like "strongest western portion [of the zone]" in regard to wind strength. Now, what is "western portion" and am I going to be in the western portion, etc.?
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,002
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Yeah-- I usually read the forecast discussions as well, especially if I'm a few days out from a trip I'm planning. I once called up one of the NOAA forecasters to chat about NOAA's use of subzonal forecast terminology. The forecasts are grouped zonally, but the forecaster can say stuff like "strongest western portion [of the zone]" in regard to wind strength. Now, what is "western portion" and am I going to be in the western portion, etc.?
Yes, I can find western portion on the chart, but the "zonal boundary" is not along a meridian; it runs diagonally across meridans. So, "western portion" is further west toward the northwest corner of the zone than toward the southwest corner. One gets different concepts of "western portion" if the zone is divided in half along a meridian versus divided in half on a line parallel to the zonal boundary line. See attachment.
 

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Feb 14, 2014
7,421
Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
Other than perhaps local personal weather stations that are not certified and linked...

NOAA is the weatherman!

At least for USA.

The USA military has top secret, not shared, weather info too.:)
Jim...
 
Feb 14, 2014
7,421
Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
Now I will NOT have to bore people with weather pressure front reasons/info in this Forum.;)

I will simply offer up @Brian D link.:pimp:

Well done!

"Red sky at night is a Sailor's Delight!" is a USN truism.
BTW it has a Biblical reference too, but not from Noah. [No need to explain the pronunciation of NOAA now]:cowbell:

All that was missing was the Pacific Ocean effects on USA weather and Jet Stream changes.
Ahhhh La Niña and El Niño from the Pacific. We are in-between effects now. Soon to change in the winter.

Jim...
 
Feb 14, 2014
7,421
Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
BTW I think I just uploaded Brian's PDF to "General Marine Info". If not, then perhaps @Brian D
could properly do it.
Jim...
 
Jun 21, 2004
2,533
Beneteau 343 Slidell, LA
The United States Power Squadron weather course is excellent also. I am referring to the comprehensive course, not the condensed seminar version. I took the course online from the University of West Florida leisure learning division.
The soft cover course manual is a great reference.