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Questions about the rudder

Discussion in 'Catalina 22' started by ScubaGuy2, Jun 3, 2018. Add this thread to a FAQ

  1. rpludwig

    rpludwig

    Joined May 23, 2016
    495 posts, 254 likes
    Catalina 22 #12502
    US BSC
    good on you getting after these things (rudder & rigging)....you could be sailing this weekend, and that's likely record time from acquisition, compared to most (or all of us)! Well done!!!
     


  2. ScubaGuy2

    ScubaGuy2

    Joined Mar 23, 2018
    35 posts, 9 likes
    Catalina 22
    12491 US Lake Charlevoix
    Thanks, I needed to hear that. Last few days, and yesterday especially, I've been getting frustrated that we have been stuck at the dock. Drinking wine while sitting in the cockpit is great and all, but I'm ready to go sailing. Almost there.
     


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  3. Hardhead

    Hardhead

    Joined Apr 11, 2017
    165 posts, 46 likes
    Catalina C22
    US Solomon's Island
    Mission accomplished!

    Depending on IQ, a mass of kicking epoxy can be a very fickle mistress. I had a little overhead fiberglass repair job last weekend and I'm still wearing 2 large clumps of strangely solidified and curly hair on the back of my head. People seem afraid to comment. Stuff holds great, and should last for years no matter where you put it. I just offer this as a cautionary tale so that others may benefit. I'm testing UV resistance this weekend..
     


  4. ScubaGuy2

    ScubaGuy2

    Joined Mar 23, 2018
    35 posts, 9 likes
    Catalina 22
    12491 US Lake Charlevoix
    Just realized I never updated this thread with pics. So here are a few of the final job.
    In progress:
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    After:
    20180618_200437.jpg 20180618_200702.jpg 20180618_200721.jpg 20180618_200820.jpg

    Certainly not perfect, but not terrible for a first timer. :) :clap: :waycool:
    Thanks for all the help.

    The only tip I can give is buy more gelcoat then you think you need. It doesn't go nearly as far as you think it will. Thankfully the guy at WM encouraged me to buy the bigger can. I would have run out for sure, then had to buy another can. :banghead:
     


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  5. Sacto Dave

    Sacto Dave

    Joined Apr 22, 2016
    137 posts, 31 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Folsom Lake
    My ‘73 #2130 has a multitude of projects that I am slowly working through. The current item is the rudder. Take a look and let me know if you would leave it alone, how you would repair it or if you would replace. Thanks! 87CB93AD-34FA-4361-895C-4AB89FBBEF29.jpeg DF390D03-B1AF-47B5-B6BA-21D7FAC598A1.jpeg
     


  6. EditorC22NSA

    EditorC22NSA

    Joined Apr 21, 2015
    120 posts, 37 likes
    Catalina 22 Sport #15582
    US Indianapolis
    If that rudder were on my boat, it would be replaced!
     


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  7. Hardhead

    Hardhead

    Joined Apr 11, 2017
    165 posts, 46 likes
    Catalina C22
    US Solomon's Island
    Does she work?
     


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  8. Gene Neill

    Gene Neill

    Joined Sep 30, 2013
    2,322 posts, 822 likes
    C-22, Albin Vega
    US central Florida
    I'd replace it ASAP.
     


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  9. Sacto Dave

    Sacto Dave

    Joined Apr 22, 2016
    137 posts, 31 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Folsom Lake
    Actually, the one time I put the boat in the water, I used only the 19 year old 5hp 4 stroke Evinrude to steer. Never had the rudder in the water to know!
     


  10. Voiding Sounds

    Voiding Sounds

    Joined May 24, 2018
    22 posts, 9 likes
    Catalina 22
    Hull 2640 US Norcal
    I don't blame you. With all that extra steel you probably need a crane to mount it. Might make a decent backup anchor, or a good way to handicap a faster racer.
     


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  11. pclarksurf

    pclarksurf

    Joined Jul 13, 2015
    467 posts, 200 likes
    Catalina 22 #2552
    US Kennewick, WA
    Dayum @Sacto Dave — that poor thing! Definitely needs major rebuild— can’t tell from the photo if there's enough of the rudder to pull the rotten core, replace and reglass? Might be a delicate balance between between replacement cost and materials to rebuild.

    Wondering if that lateral crack is through and through ? Or just on single face .... solid maybe, but you’ll spend some coin on epoxy
     


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  12. Sacto Dave

    Sacto Dave

    Joined Apr 22, 2016
    137 posts, 31 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Folsom Lake
    Ha! @pclarksurf no, that crack doesn’t go all the way through.
    Everyone’s reaction so far was mine as well. Back when I first got this rust bucket, I got quotes on rudder options:
    OEM rudder >/= $601
    Kick up complete = $869
    After market (NRL) = $549 D2146
    for those #’s, I could get a bunch of epoxy.
    Ha! Thanks for the sympathy!
    The core appears okay:
    6E5FB2DB-9464-4939-8982-D2DCCE977D85.jpeg
    Not sure what to make of what I’m finding inside. The bottom pintle appears welded as though torn apart:
    9EA5B04C-D1D7-4A2F-991C-C80F3541966C.jpeg
    How that could happen without breaking the core? Beats me. Maybe it was soaking wet and bent without breaking. Bond all around the core is cracked.
    I’ve never done any fiberglass repairs, so I figure what’s to lose? Maybe gain some experience, if nothing else.
    I’m trying to stiffen up the core by soaking it in epoxy:
    69C62090-315F-4B7D-BC48-486830AE6F3A.jpeg
    Like I did with the rounded-out hole for the tiller.
    Been out to my waterskiing lake lately?
     


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  13. pclarksurf

    pclarksurf

    Joined Jul 13, 2015
    467 posts, 200 likes
    Catalina 22 #2552
    US Kennewick, WA
    heck yeah-- you're on it... definitely worth giving it a shot, and a great piece to work on. Worst thing you'll do is sand off some extra. Good as new when you're done.
     


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  14. Voiding Sounds

    Voiding Sounds

    Joined May 24, 2018
    22 posts, 9 likes
    Catalina 22
    Hull 2640 US Norcal
    That bottom pintle looks like the rudder has taken a few groundings and has been repaired at least once in its life. Mine looked very similar. The pin had been replaced and rewelded at some point in the past. Whoever did the work did okay, because it stayed together pretty well when the rudder struck a launch ramp curb and tweaked the bracket. The rudder took a little damage, the leading corner was crushed and I had to grind it back an inch or so to get to undamaged laminate.

    Good luck with the rudder. I'm partway through repairing mine. I reshaped the lower corners and now I'm adding a few layers of glass to the edges. The rough work is mostly done so I'm going to take it sailing this weekend, I'll fair it later. I'm still new new to working with epoxy and fiberglass so there's been a lot of learning and extra sanding. So much sanding.
     


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  15. Sacto Dave

    Sacto Dave

    Joined Apr 22, 2016
    137 posts, 31 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Folsom Lake
    Lol! My current second career is sanding.
     


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  16. w4swk

    w4swk

    Joined Mar 23, 2015
    74 posts, 8 likes
    1991 Catalina 22 Wing Keel
    US Nocona
    Update?
     


  17. Sacto Dave

    Sacto Dave

    Joined Apr 22, 2016
    137 posts, 31 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Folsom Lake
    Well, I’ve had a week off. We vacationed in Avila Beach, CA. Substituted mid-60°s for the 100°+ valley weather. Before I left, I filled about half the ground out area with epoxied glass. I’ll work on it tonight.
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