Main hard to raise

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  1. Franzcat

    Franzcat

    Joined Jan 28, 2017
    48 posts, 1 likes
    Catalina 30 Mk II
    US Williamsburg
    The mainsail on my MkII tall rig goes up easily until it is about 2/3ds of the way. It then becomes really tight. I have tried all manner of lubricants including Sail Coat but the problem persists. Once I muscle it up it it comes down freely . Wonder if this is something common to tall rigs or if anyone else has had a similar problem.
     


  2. Benny17441

    Benny17441

    Joined May 24, 2004
    5,749 posts, 417 likes
    CC 30
    US South Florida
    Release tension from all reefing lines, that fact it comes down freely means you are loading a downward force somewhere. Either friction or tension. Topping lift, boom vang, main sheet?
     


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  3. Franzcat

    Franzcat

    Joined Jan 28, 2017
    48 posts, 1 likes
    Catalina 30 Mk II
    US Williamsburg
    My reefing lines and boom vang are not rigged. I will check the topping lift. How would the main sheet create this problem-what should I look for? Thanks!
     


  4. garymalmgren

    garymalmgren

    Joined May 29, 2018
    66 posts, 47 likes
    Canel 25 foot
    Jonathan jp Shoigama, japan
    Do you have bolt rope or slugs?
    If slugs, check then all for attachment and damage.
    Do you have an internal mast track or an external mast rail?
    If it is internal it could be restricted at the choke point by salt, sand or some other build up.
    To both clean and check the condition of an internal track I highly recommend the
    AMAZING DOCTOR GARY'S FREE TRACK CLEANER.
    You need about a foot of rough cleaning rope that fits the track pretty snuggly.
    Parallel to the rope you whip on a piece of lighter line that is 2 or 3 inches longer at each end (See Pic 1).
    There should be an eye in each end of the lighter line.
    The whipping will make the diameter of the rough cleaning rope even snugger in the track.
    Connect the main halyard to one eye and feed cleaning rope into track. (See Pic 2)
    Connect a light down haul line to the bottom eye.(See Pic 3)
    Haul up a yard or so and haul down a few times then repeat as you raise the line up the track.
    Pay attention to the spot where you think the sail is binding.
    When you have cleaned the whole track haul the cleaning rope mast clean 1.jpg mast clean 2.jpg mast clean 3.jpg IMG_20180811_141956.jpg down , spray it with track lubricant and repeat the haul up/down to lub the complete track.
    Will tack 30 minutes to make the cleaner and 30 minutes to clean and lub the track. I do it once a year as a part of maintenance.

    Good luck
    Gary
     


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  5. Sanfelice

    Sanfelice

    Joined Jan 21, 2009
    197 posts, 13 likes
    Catalina 30
    US Lake Perry, KS
    If you have full battens, I found these slugs help. I replaced the standard slugs in front of each batten and 2 at the head of the sail. They slide easier but also reduces the sail/slug twist in front of the batten. They are a little pricey but helps. I would love to replace all my slugs but am satisfied with getting my sail up as of now.
    https://www.sailrite.com/Slug-Allslip-Flat-3-4
     


  6. Franzcat

    Franzcat

    Joined Jan 28, 2017
    48 posts, 1 likes
    Catalina 30 Mk II
    US Williamsburg
    Thanks so much, Dr. Gary. I will try that as soon as it stops raining. Great system.
     


  7. Franzcat

    Franzcat

    Joined Jan 28, 2017
    48 posts, 1 likes
    Catalina 30 Mk II
    US Williamsburg
    Thanks also for the idea on the slugs. My slugs are only about two years old, but I may try to replace a few of them out of frustration. The sail is fully battened.
     


  8. Will Gilmore

    Will Gilmore

    Joined Oct 19, 2017
    4,603 posts, 2,550 likes
    O'Day 19
    US Littleton, NH
    Twists or kinks in old halyard? Too much bend in the mast from overly tight backstays? A dent in the mast track? It shouldn't be like that. I've never sailed on a Cat 30, but I'm sure that's not a normal expectation.

    -Will (Dragonfly)
     


  9. Kingjim91

    Kingjim91

    Joined Jul 6, 2013
    106 posts, 7 likes
    Catalina 30TR
    US Milwaukee
    Try running the halyard up with just a messenger line attached. Just to check that the masthead sheave is running smooth.
    Doctor Gary’s track cleaner is a great idea. I’m going to make one just for routine cleaning.
     


  10. H30sailor

    H30sailor

    Joined Nov 23, 2015
    3 posts, 0 likes
    Hunter 30T
    US Coconut Grove
    I have exactly the same problem with my 1991 Hunter 30. The masthead sheave runs easily, I've replaced the slugs to no avail, the reefing lines and vang are loose. The sail raises very smoothly until it becomes very difficult at the top spreader, requiring heavy winching. It doesn't slide down all that easily either. Several riggers have looked at this and told me everything's fine. But no sailor aboard agrees.
     


  11. Roland5048

    Roland5048

    Joined May 12, 2004
    1,184 posts, 381 likes
    Hunter Cherubini 30
    US New Port Richey
    If the mainsheet is not released, it will not allow the boom to raise thus pulling the mainsail back and not allowing the slugs to go up the track easily. You stated this happens about 2/3 of the way up. That's about when it usually starts binding.
     


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  12. Franzcat

    Franzcat

    Joined Jan 28, 2017
    48 posts, 1 likes
    Catalina 30 Mk II
    US Williamsburg
    I will try that tomorrow. The mainsheet is locked tight to keep the boom from swinging but that may be the problem. I will let you know. Think I will try Dr. Gary's approach too. I will also run a messenger up and down just to be on the safe side, although if the sail comes down easily - which it does, it probably isn't this. What the heck. Can't hurt.
    Many thanks.
     


  13. Ward H

    Ward H

    Joined Nov 7, 2011
    2,273 posts, 497 likes
    Catalina 30 Mk II
    US Barnegat, NJ
    That's your problem. Your boom needs to rise as the sail goes up. You are preventing that by keeping the main sheet tight.

    To raise your main you need to motor slowly directly into the wind, release the main sheet, vang and reefing lines completely. The boom needs to be able to swing freely. By motoring directly into the wind there is no wind putting pressure on the sail and slugs. You should be able to raise the sail by hand, then tension the luff using the cabin top winch.
    The other reason to keep the main sheet loose is you don't want the main filling with wind while you are still raising the sail. That puts pressure on the sail and lugs and makes it much harder to raise the sail.

    On my MkII TR, I raise the main by hand to about the last 6", then put the halyard on the cabin top winch and finish and tension the luff.
     


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  14. Franzcat

    Franzcat

    Joined Jan 28, 2017
    48 posts, 1 likes
    Catalina 30 Mk II
    US Williamsburg
    OK. On my last sailboat I was able to raise the main in the manner you describe but it was a small 27 footer. I am anxious to try raising the main the way you describe. I will let you know how it goes. Thanks again.
     


  15. DrJudyB

    DrJudyB

    Joined Jun 25, 2004
    350 posts, 260 likes
    Corsair F24 Mk1
    003 US San Francisco Bay, CA
    Pictures of the luff at the slides please..
    How are the slides attached at the full battens? Webbing? Shackles?Articulating threaded studs into the batten receptacles?
    What kind of batten Receptacles at the front of the battens?
    What is the top slide at the headboard, metal or plastic?

    Judy B
    Retired sailmaker
     


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  16. DrJudyB

    DrJudyB

    Joined Jun 25, 2004
    350 posts, 260 likes
    Corsair F24 Mk1
    003 US San Francisco Bay, CA
    Hi will,

    Cat 30 masts are tree trunks. It’s a masthead rig, with non swept spreaders, cap shrouds are in line with the mast. You don’t bend rigs like that more than an inch.

    And besides, you’d need a ridiculous amount of mast bend to make it difficult to raise the mainsail. There’s always more curve in the luff, by several inches, than there is mast bend.

    Best regards,
    Judy
     


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  17. Franzcat

    Franzcat

    Joined Jan 28, 2017
    48 posts, 1 likes
    Catalina 30 Mk II
    US Williamsburg
    Thanks, Judy. I will snap a few pic's and post them. I casted everything loose and tried to raise the main. Still binds badly in the upper 1/3 of the mast. Truly have no idea.
     


  18. Roland5048

    Roland5048

    Joined May 12, 2004
    1,184 posts, 381 likes
    Hunter Cherubini 30
    US New Port Richey
    OK, here's a thought. Maybe it's not actually binding at the top third but, instead, the lower slugs are binding in the track. Like I said, just a thought.
     


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