Katrina Lost Boats

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Dec 2, 1997
8,709
- - LIttle Rock
I didn't imply it, Patrick

"Helpless" is not a synonym for "worthless" or "lazy"...it means UNABLE to help oneself or anyone else...not having the inner resources to KNOW what to do or how to do it. And if you read my post, I said I had not doubt that they would help each other--and themselves--if they knew how. Those that do know how, ARE. Not all were on welfare..some lost jobs along with everything else. Providing ALL who are capable and willing to work with the opportunity EARN money instead of being forced to subsist on a gov't handout restores human dignity and self-worth. And despite what Clyde said, there will be plenty of UNSKILLEd opportunities...in the cleanup and in the rebuilding. The cleanup can't be done entirely with heavy equipment..it's gonna takes strong backs and hands. They all need to fed. Many will need child care...elder care. And there will plenty of unskilled, semi-skilled...and--for those who have the skills--skilled jobs. NO today isn't as far removed from the '30s as Clyde thinks it is. Meanwhile, their immediate needs for survival must be met...and I, along with everyone else who gives a damn, are contributing everything we can to that. I've cried for these people...I cannot even begin to imagine what they've endured, what they're still enduring. But when the best thing we can do for them now is comfort them, provide for their immediate needs...and when the cleanup and rebuilding can finally begin, provide the means for their restoration of their dignity and human spirit. Wanna meet for lunch at the "Boats Afloat" show in Seattle next week?
 
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Wilb Bill

missing

Has any body seen the Vice President He seems to be missing Where the hell is Dick?
 
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Jay

Food for thought

Some of Peggy's points have merit, and I was having some of the same thoughts myself. With that said, the tone of the original posting was pretty intolerant (no one is lifting a finger? totally different from all these other disasters? how can we know that?), and I think it is important to consider Saunders and Hooper's rebuttals carefully, and allow your preconceived notions to be challenged a bit, even if it's much more comfortable to blame those folks who are not perhaps taking care of themselves as well as you or I think we would in the same circumstances. I too felt angry at some of the people on the news broadcasts who were staying in the Convention center for days, ranting and raving at the government for not swooping down and saving them. If it were me there (or you, no doubt), after a while we would set out on foot, and head 20 or 30 miles north to get to a better/safer place. (On the other hand, I also was pretty upset with the relief management for leaving them there with no attempt to deliver water through all of Wednesday night and all of Thursday, before finally showing up on Friday. This after the situation was broadcast on Wed. and Th. nights.) But I do have some perspective on the situation, having been through hurricane Andrew in 1992 with a family including a wife, a 2-year old, and a 4-month old baby. When you own your own home, you have one set of problems (insurance malfeasance, crooked contractors, no contractors at all), which can stretch on for years. When you don't have your own place (we didn't), your landlord/apt. complex can just put you out on the street at their pleasure, to make repairs. I can tell you that it can be pretty debilitating to have all the usual support structures of our society come totally unglued all at once. We had some savings and a decent income. And even that doesn't matter when you can't buy the things you need, such as a place to stay. (If you're wondering: no, we took no government help. But we were fortunate to have friends help us out for a while!) With apologies to those in Miami who had it much worse than us (there were many): it's looking like Katrina is much worse than Andrew was, both damage-wise, and in terms of loss of life. As Saunders says, it is easy to criticize some of these people. I probably did so (out loud or silently) over the last few days. But maybe this isn't the time.
 
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Clyde

We are far removed from the 1930's. *box

Most of President Roosevelt's "New Deal" legislation, include the National Recovery Administration (NRA) were ruled to be unconstitutional by the US Supreme Court and disbanded. We are far removed from the 1930's and the socialist programs used by President Roosevelt's "New Deal" program. A lot of the New Deal programs were ruled illegal by the US Supreme Court and are still illegal today. The US Supreme Court ruled that it interfered with intrastate commerce. The federal government can control interstate commerce only. Public works projects are open to competitive bids by the private contractors. The cleanup funding will be from the US government, they can require that the civilian contractors hire a certain amount of minorities. They can not dictate that the all of the unskilled or skilled cleanup and rebuilding workers be survivors of the hurricane or welfare recipients. The largest part of the contract will go to the lowest bidder, some work will be given to minority or women own businesses. Most of the unskilled or skilled workers who left the area would have to move themselves back and look for living accommodations and then apply for the cleanup jobs. It will be up to the private sector to hire the workers. The federal government can not dictate that everyone working on the job will be from the hurricane disaster state or are former welfare recipients; that's unconstitutional. As I said before, there will be some work for the hurricane survivors, but not for everyone. We live in a free "Market System". The federal government can not dictate which US citizen works on the job and which doesn't, that's unconstitutional. The federal government can not control how business is done within the state. The ruling that disbanded the NRA. Schecter Poultry Corp. v The United States (1933) Schecter Poultry was alleged by the NIRA (a New Deal program set up by FDR)to have sold unfit chicken to a butcher. Schecter and the butcher are both based in Brooklyn New York. Schecter did no out of state business. Schecter Poultry Co. was charged by the federal government which argued that under the National Industrial Recovery Act Schecter Poultry can be regulated by the federal government which under the NRA set up codes in cooperation with various industries that set prices ranges, set up minimum wages and maximum hours, abolished child labor and recognized the rights of unions to organize. Schecter Poultry argued that the NIRA was unconstitutional because the federal government had no right to regulate intrastate trade. The Supreme Court citing Gibbons v Ogden as the precedent reversed the lower courts decision in Schecter and struck down the NIRA as unconstitutional. The Supreme Court thus said reaffirmed the fact that the federal government may not regulate intrastate trade only interstate trade. The NIRA was replaced with National Labor Relations Act, NLRA, which created the NLRB, set fair work standards and with the Fair Labor Standards Act, passing the first minimum wage per hour, 20 cents, maximum work week, 44 then 40 hours, and banned 16 year olds and younger from factory jobs. Fair Winds, Clyde
 
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Mark

TIme out everyone!

It's time to stop pushing who was to blame and who was or was not lazy etc etc etc. Lets just all spare a prayer and a wish for those that have suffered. Get out on ya yacht and sail for the day and simply chill out cos nothing on this forum is gunna fix the situation. Great friendships forged over the years on this forum may be at risk. "Chill out for a while"
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,709
- - LIttle Rock
Well, Clyde...if you're right...

I guess all the federal workers and military will have to leave, and all that work be put out for bids. Any law can be suspended in time of emergency--and many have been...and if this ain't an emergency, I dunno what is! You obviously put a lot of time and effort into your post...looking up all the legal citations etc. But all your efforts went into the reasons why it CAN'T be done--at least not the same Roosevelt did it...none into other ways it CAN be done. Why do so many people think the idea of giving rudderless people adrift in a sea of chaos and destruction the means to control their own destinies--some again, many for the first time in their lives--such a horrible idea? That's a rhetorical question, btw...not an invitation to further debate. I'm gonna take Mark's advice and pack it in now.
 
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Clyde

Your comments aren't rhetorical. :(

"I guess all the federal workers and military will have to leave, and all that work be put out for bids." I responded with information that I knew was right about the rebuilding effort, not on the rescue effort. The federal, state, local and military personnel are there to save lives. Your comment is very insulting. "You obviously put a lot of time and effort into your post...looking up all the legal citations etc. But all your efforts went into the reasons why it CAN'T be done--at least not the same Roosevelt did it...none into other ways it CAN be done." As I had said in my previous post. The cost of recovery will affect the whole country, undoubtedly. How the government does it, I have no idea; I'm not that smart. The cost and recovery seem insurmountable at the moment; it will take time and hard work to devise a recovery plan. You are the one that is trying to come up with a quick fix. "Any law can be suspended in time of emergency--and many have been...and if this ain't an emergency, I dunno what is!" Even the President of the United States answers to the Constitution. Not all laws can be suspended in times of emergency. "About 10% will end up in jail...they would have anyway. But I think people would be amazed at how most of 'em would respond to being paid to accomplish something instead of sitting at home all day wallowing in helplessness." I was greatly sadden and surprised by your cold and cruel comment about the people in New Orleans. Fair Winds, Clyde
 
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John Ehricht

Back to Oak Harbor

I am glad that my topic has started this discussion, please keep up the responses. Our neighbors just returned from Oak Harbor and have new pictures at their website - jojamela.us so check out the pictures. They called and said that one man was on his boat during the storm. The storm broke the boak loose from the dock while he was still aboard then the dock crashed into the hull, the boat took on water, his animals drowned and he barely managed to keep from drowning. He said that his boat and another, along with the dock on dock 7 then crashed into dock 6 where the Anna Belle was, so it would seem that Anna Belle would have been pushed toward dock 5 and 4. Our next slip neighbor was found sunk. There is a new picture of a mast at the end of dock 4 which looks like that of the Anna Belle, however the top of the mast is not in the picture. We are leaving today and are going back to the marina for the first time and will see if indeed this is the mast of the Anna Belle. WE have also been in touch with a family displaced to Dallas who have a house and boat in Eden Isles. WE are going to check on their house. WE hope that they still have something left, however everything is damaged with water at a minimum. WE will give an update when we return. We are also taking our camera and may have a picture to post.
 
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Ed

sounds to me like we have some volunteers

Sounds to me like we have some knowlegable volunteers to go down and deal with this problem. In stead of complaing about others who are doing there best!
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
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This episode reminds me....

...of the '92 Noreaster that we suffered on Long Island. I live in a small town surrounded on three sides by water. When the storm surge came, half of our town was under water. Some houses were washed into the sea and a number of businesses were flooded, mine among them. We had no electric, no phone, no gas, no heat and no water. We could not leave because the two roads were washed out. The flooded land was covered with a slick of home heating oil and gasoline. We were trapped. We wanted to do something, anything, but what? So we waited....and eventually the national guard showed up. We were put under marshal law. We were TOTALLY dependent on the national guard. If you owned a helicopter you could leave, otherwise you were stuck wherever you happened to be. We expected help, had no idea when or where it was come. Of course, this was nothing in comparison to what these poor folks in New Orleans are going through, but I can talk to the sence of helplessness and the feeling that you've lost everything that you've worked for. With regard to the officials in charge. The head of FEMA, appointed to his position by Pres. Bush, comes to this office from his former job with the International Horse Racing Association. Obviously well qualified for heading the leading disaster relief organization.
 
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John Ehricht

1st Hand Report

The devastation was just like that which is shown on TV. The area is like a war zone - but worse. We showe our Identification at the check pont which was manned with Guards with automatic weapons. There was a convoy of marines in Bradly fighting vehicles armed to the hilt. Nothing but rubble where once stood builings, houses, gas stations, apartments. The stronger structures did remain, with roofs apart and siding gone. Bows of boats could be found sticking up at the pier in the marina, with only about 3-4 feet showing, so the rest of the boat was known to be under. Our dock was gone - our dock box was left. There was nothing that looked like our boat - Anna Belle - the Hunter 33. At this point we can only conclude that when the boats on 7 dock broke and crashed into our boats on dock 6, the Anna Belle must have been hit so hard that she sunk and other items and boats must have pushed the mast over so that nothing is standing. Many other boats can be found all over the parking lot and apartment complex and the way places the other boats were found indicate that the wind blew the boats to the east or south - not the west or north. The harbormaster said it would be months before the dredging takes place to lift what is on the bottom. We did see many boats that looked fine and others that had various damage, but as you have probably seen the whole area is devastated. I beleive our governor has been totally inept, but the federal government also need to wake up - the rest of the nation is at risk because if there is another problem elsewhere the emergency response does not work nad needs an overhaul.
 
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John Ehricht

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Here is the bow of one of the boats that has perished.
 
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Tom

An Unnatural Disaster

An Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made Disaster of the Welfare State Sep 02, 2005 by Robert Tracinski It has taken four long days for state and federal officials to figure out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them, because it has also taken me four long days to figure out what is going on there. The reason is that the events there make no sense if you think that we are confronting a natural disaster. If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public officials is obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send transportation to evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send engineers to stop the flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure. For journalists, natural disasters also have a familiar pattern: the heroism of ordinary people pulling together to survive; the hard work and dedication of doctors, nurses, and rescue workers; the steps being taken to clean up and rebuild. Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists--myself included--did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting. But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster. The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television channel has gotten the story wrong. The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not happen over the past four days. It happened over the past four decades. Hurricane Katrina merely exposed it to public view. The man-made disaster is the welfare state. For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to be confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to behave in an emergency--indeed, they were not behaving as they have behaved in other emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people: they have been saying that this is not what we expect from America. In fact, it is not even what we expect from a Third World country. When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion. They work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously organize to keep order and solve problems. This is especially true in America. We are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own initiative rather than waiting around for the government to take care of us. I have seen this a hundred times, in small examples (a small town whose main traffic light had gone out, causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve as impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and large ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September 11). So what explains the chaos in New Orleans? To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is a description from a Washington Times story: "Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying fists, knives and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the streets; and police and rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on. "The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen poured in to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and gunfire.... "Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened Arkansas National Guard members were inside New Orleans with shoot-to-kill orders. " 'These troops are...under my orders to restore order in the streets,' she said. 'They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded. These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will.' " The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this article shows National Guard troops, with rifles and armored vests, riding on an armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It looks exactly like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad. What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse for an orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape? What causes unruly mobs to storm the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the drivers to drive away, frightened for their lives? What causes people to attack the doctors trying to treat patients at the Super Dome? Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing further destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to help them? My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a sense-of-life level. While watching the coverage last night on Fox News Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She studied architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago, which is located in the South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the Robert Taylor Homes, one of the largest high-rise public housing projects in America. "The projects," as they were known, were infamous for uncontrollable crime and irremediable squalor. (They have since, mercifully, been demolished.) What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was a whiff of the sense of life of "the projects." Then the "crawl"--the informational phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news channels--gave some vital statistics to confirm this sense: 75% of the residents of New Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane, and of the 300,000 or so who remained, a large number were from the city's public housing projects. Jack Wakeland then gave me an additional, crucial fact: early reports from CNN and Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating all of the prisoners in the city's jails--so they just let many of them loose. There is no doubt a significant overlap between these two populations--that is, a large number of people in the jails used to live in the housing projects, and vice versa. There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the deluge hit--but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people from two groups: criminals--and wards of the welfare state, people selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness. The welfare wards were a mass of sheep--on whom the incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves. All of this is related, incidentally, to the apparent incompetence of the city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. But in a city corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure the flow of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political supporters--not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of emergency. No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell. In fact, some are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush, for example, for failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New Orleans had drafted an adequate evacuation plan. The worst example is an execrable piece from the Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious Canadian who blames the chaos on American "individualism." But the truth is precisely the opposite: the chaos was caused by a system that was the exact opposite of individualism. What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond to a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain that the government hasn't taken care of them. They don't use the chaos of a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men. But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own anything. Do they worry about what is going to happen to their businesses or how they are going to make a living? They never worried about those things before. Do they worry about crime and looting? But living off of stolen wealth is a way of life for them. The welfare state--and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it sustains and encourages--is the man-made disaster that explains the moral ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one is reporting. Source: TIA Daily -- September 2, 2005
 
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John Ehricht

1st Hand report on CHAOS

Everyone is correct. There is mas chaos in this area, but also the whole nation as to how to deal with it. Communications are horrible. WE have trouble receiving and getting phone calls. Trying to speak to bureacrats is totaly frustrating. I call the state police HQ to ask about the condition in St. Tammany Parish - Troop L. They said they had no word for 2 days. I looked up the phone number on the internet and called and got right threw. They said they could receive calls but could not make calls. They were said that they did not know about comming back to St. Tammany because that was up to the loacal Sheriff and I suppose they hav to communicated with him either. Anyway I asked if they wanted me to call the HQ in Baton Rouge and they said "YES". So when I called back to the HQ, they just wanted to argue, so I asked for a supervisor who finnaly said there were "NO Phones". I gues she did not beleive me. This is just like FEMA who said he saw all of that on TV but had no confirmation from his people. I just told her to call. I called the sheriff and they said that we could go in and just show IDs. We went in yesterday in spite of the state police. Ga state police were on I-10, so I guess LA state police needs help. As dar as FEMA is concerned, I have filed 6 applications on-line and the people have been registered. I am trying to get the word out about on-line registration and that people can get registered without government assistance. People in displaced homes with internet connection can register. Churchs and business could assist to register people, but when I try to get this information out, I am told that people are in meetings, etc.etc.etc. The system as bad as it may or may not be is in place and at least registration can be made by anyone with internet access and the displaced person's information. If anyone can get the attention of the media/decission makers please try. If you want my phone number it is 225-387-0357(office),225-766-5881(home),225-933-4307(cell)225-387-0358(fax. My email address is john@eandbcpas.com or rachel51@bellsouth.net. We will appreciate all the help we can get.
 
Jul 20, 2005
2,422
Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
Clyde

Marshall Law was declared...that means the government is run by the military and can just about do what ever they want and all that constitution and supreme court rulings go out the window. Rightfully so because this isn't a time for red tape and government BS.
 
Jun 2, 2004
3,390
Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
Finger-pointing

Following is a post from a fellow over in Merritt Is, FL, a reporter who's been researching what went on before the storm hit: I think all of Mayor Nagin's pomp and posturing is going to bite him hard in the near future as the lies and distortions of his interviews are coming to light. (Mayor Nagin claimed when the National guard arrived, the men were sitting around playing cards and would not respond to his pleas for help in evacuation.) On Friday night before the storm hit Max Mayfield of the National Hurricane Center took the unprecedented action of calling Nagin and Blanco personally to plead with them to begin MANDATORY evacuation of New Orleans and they said they'd take it under consideration. This was after the NOAA buoy 240 miles south had recorded 68' waves before it was destroyed. President Bush spent Friday afternoon and evening in meetings with his advisors and administrators drafting all of the paperwork required for a state to request federal assistance (and not be in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act or having to enact the Insurgency Act). Just before midnight Friday evening the President called Governor Blanco and pleaded with her to sign the request papers so the federal government and the military could legally begin mobilization and call up. He was told that they didn't think it necessary for the federal government to be involved yet. After the President's final call to the governor she held meetings with her staff to discuss the political ramifications of bringing federal forces. It was decided that if they allowed federal assistance it would make it look as if they had failed so it was agreed upon that the feds would not be invited in. Saturday before the storm hit the President again called Blanco and Nagin requesting they please sign the papers requesting federal assistance, that they declare the state an emergency area, and begin mandatory evacuation. After a personal plea from the President Nagin agreed to order an evacuation, but it would not be a full mandatory evacuation, and the governor still refused to sign the papers requesting and authorizing federal action. In frustration the President declared the area a national disaster area before the state of Louisiana did so he could legally begin some advanced preparations. Rumor has it that the President's legal advisers were looking into the ramifications of using the insurgency act to bypass the Constitutional requirement that a state request federal aid before the federal government can move into state with troops - but that had not been done since 1906 and the Constitutionality of it was called into question to use before the disaster. Throw in that over half the federal aid of the past decade to New Orleans for levee construction, maintenance, and repair was diverted to fund a marina and support the gambling ships. Toss in the investigation that will look into why the emergency preparedness plan submitted to the federal government for funding and published on the city's website was never implemented and in fact may have been bogus for the purpose of gaining additional federal funding as we now learn that the organizations identified in the plan were never contacted or coordinating into any planning - though the document implies that they were. The suffering people of New Orleans need to be asking some hard questions as do we all, but they better start with why Blanco refused to even sign the multi-state mutual aid pack activation documents until Wednesday which further delayed the legal deployment of National Guard from adjoining states. Or maybe ask why Nagin keeps harping that the President should have commandeered 500 Greyhound busses to help him when according to his own emergency plan and documents he claimed to have over 500 busses at his disposal to use between the local school busses and the city transportation busses - but he never raised a finger to prepare them or activate them. This is a sad time for all of us to see that a major city has all but been destroyed and thousands of people have died with hundreds of thousands more suffering, but it's certainly not a time for people to be pointing fingers and trying to find a bigger dog to blame for local corruption and incompetence. Pray to God for the survivors that they can start their lives anew as fast as possible and we learn from all the mistakes to avoid them in the future.
 
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Clyde

Marshall Law hasn't been call! *box

Marshall Law can only called by the President or Congress during times of civil insurrection. Marshall law temporarily suspends the Writ of Habeas Corpus. The President's hands were tied, only the mayor of New Orleans or the Governor of the state of Louisiana can ordered a force evacuation of the city, which is a local law enforcement order. The mayor of New Orleans should have done this before the hurricane had hit. The US Constitution: Article 1, Section 9 states, "The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it." Habeas corpus is a concept of law, in which a person may not be held by the government without a valid reason for being held. A writ of habeas corpus can be issued by a court upon a government agency (such as a police force or the military). Such a writ compels the agency to produce the individual to the court, and to convince the court that the person is being reasonably held. The suspension of habeas corpus allows an agency to hold a person without a charge. Suspension of habeas corpus is often equated with martial law. Our country is built on the Constitution. When a soldier swears his oath of enlistment, he solemnly swears to defend the Constitution of the United States. He doesn't have to swear an oath to defend the country, because the Constitution is the country. For over two hundred years what makes us a country isn't the land we live on, it's our belief in our Constitution. "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." Too many Americans have died, are dying, and undoubtedly will died in the future defending the Constitution. Saying that the Constitution is BS is spitting on the grave of every solider who had died swearing to protect it. Sometimes people who don't know what they are talking about will make a callous remark that they didn't mean to, I hope this was one of them. Fair Winds, Clyde New Orleans Mayor orders forced evacuation http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050907/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina
 

Phil Herring

Alien
Mar 25, 1997
4,918
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OK, we've had our political fun for the month

Let's consider this topic closed. I'll archive it in another day. If you really want to get into this we have a couple sites with looser guidelines but this isn't one of them. Meanwhile, let's take all that energy and aim our checkbooks at the Red Cross. Thanks!
 
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John Ehricht

Appeal from Louisiana

I started this topic because my Hunter 33 is lost because of the storm. The idea that it will be archived becasuse the individuals who operate the website just proves that the people who are not involved do not comprhend the suffering and magnitude of what has happened. This is the same problem with the people in the government, they are concerned only with their own agenda. O.K. close the topic, forget about a sailboat owner who is in the disaster area. Maybe you can sleep better at night because you don't have to know or think about the misery of others. If you have any compassion, you would keep this topic alive as long as people want to comment. Like 9-11, the nation should never forget Katrina - to do so is not comprehensible. What harm is this doing?
 
Jun 2, 2004
3,390
Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
Does Not Seem Anymore Political Than Other Threads

I guess Phill sees it going that way soon though. Maybe it is for the best, as it will soon be suggested that Dick Cheney was sent down to New Orleans with a shovel to break the levee all by himself to test how a disaster effects a major city and how people react to it then as a bonus Halliburton gets the contract to rebuild.
 
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