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inhauler vs inboard genoa tracks

Discussion in 'Catalina 30' started by Jimski, Jan 10, 2019. Add this thread to a FAQ

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  1. Don Guillette

    Don Guillette

    Joined May 17, 2004
    1,927 posts, 94 likes
    Other Catalina 30
    US Tucson, AZ
    My knowledge base is not a lot and I'm not very scientific. I'm just a hillbilly common seaman who just know what works for me. The barberhauler allowed me more adjustment possibilities that the inboard track. As far as the 155 goes - 95% of the time I singlehanded the boat and I started out with a 155. It was too much sail for me to deal with. I sold it to a Catalina forum lister. Next, I tried a 135 deck sweeper. I didn't like that one either because it was a pain to deal with the safety line. I sold it to another Catalina forum lister. Next, I purchased a high cut 135. I really liked that sail which was fortunate for me because my wife was starting to get angry with me and my sail purchases!!
     


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  2. John Tubb

    John Tubb

    Joined Feb 14, 2017
    931 posts, 247 likes
    O'Day 25
    US Guntersville, AL
    Ahhh, I was just trying to picture that and figure what the control was. So the slip knot in the end of the line is on the working jib sheet and you said run the line to the lazy winch which would mean the windward winch to me. Does this mean that the line goes forward around the mast to make it to the lazy winch?
     


  3. Don Guillette

    Don Guillette

    Joined May 17, 2004
    1,927 posts, 94 likes
    Other Catalina 30
    US Tucson, AZ
    John: Nope, the barberhauler line, in my situation, comes straight across the cockpit to the unused winch.
     


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  4. John Tubb

    John Tubb

    Joined Feb 14, 2017
    931 posts, 247 likes
    O'Day 25
    US Guntersville, AL
    Ok @Don Guillette thanks, I have to look at my setup, not sure this would work on the O'Day25.
     


  5. Don Guillette

    Don Guillette

    Joined May 17, 2004
    1,927 posts, 94 likes
    Other Catalina 30
    US Tucson, AZ
    John : I called it a slip knot but I don't know if that is the correct term. I wanted a knot that could slide up and down the jib sheet. It's a loosely tied clove hitch. I needed something that I could detach easily as I didn't want the line flapping in the breeze when I changed tacks. Maybe I wouldn't need it on the next tack. If I did I'd just re tie it. Remember I'm just cruising along and not trying to beat the air/sea speed record plus I don't want to disturb my wife who is reclining on the cockpit seat and trying to catch as many rays as she can.
     


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  6. Don Guillette

    Don Guillette

    Joined May 17, 2004
    1,927 posts, 94 likes
    Other Catalina 30
    US Tucson, AZ
    John: I'm not that familiar with a O'day 25 but I looked up a picture of one. It appears the track is on the combing of the cockpit and there appears to be a nice direct line to the lazy winch. If not, sit in the cockpit with a "tinney" and try to figure another way around it. .
     


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  7. Will Gilmore

    Will Gilmore

    Joined Oct 19, 2017
    3,901 posts, 1,912 likes
    O'Day 19
    US Littleton, NH
    Les, I use the term inhauler as a general term for what it does and, here, to stay with the terminology used by the OP. There is a difference between a Barber hauler and a twing.
    I've only recently learned what a twing is, but a Barber hauler is usually an out hauler because it was originally connected to a block on the toerail or a stanchion post base to open the slot. The term, I think is used for inhaulers, as well and they traditionally attach directly to the jenny clew.
    A twing, as best I can find, are down haulers that use a ring or 'beaner on the jib sheet. They are often combined with an inhauler. This is mostly new to me, but consistent with the little I already knew about Barber haulers. Here's an illustration of a twing.
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    Oddly, most of the examples I've found of twings have them attached at the head of the traveler track. I don't know why the traveler car can't do exactly the same function in that case.

    -Will (Dragonfly)
     


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  8. Hayden Watson

    Hayden Watson

    Joined Apr 5, 2009
    605 posts, 134 likes
    Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs
    US Oak Harbor, WA
    Will Correct me if I am wrong but when you say "traveler track" you are referring to the track that the jib car is running on.
    You are correct that moving the jib car forward would have the same affect as using the twing to pull the sheet down. The advantage is that the adjustment of the sheet lead can be done under load with the twing but unless you have the fancy adjustable car system, you will not be able to move the car due to the friction. On my C30 I can only move the car when it is unloaded so I need to wait for a tack to make an adjustment. I might just need to rig a twing to see how it works.
     


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  9. Meriachee

    Meriachee

    Joined Aug 1, 2011
    2,962 posts, 921 likes
    Catalina 270
    CA Wabamun - on the orange ball
    There is no way to move the car under load without some kind of multiple turn purchase.
    The ability to fine tune the trailing edge of the sail under load makes it all worthwhile, but I know that isn’t for everybody. The issue from a pure cost benefit perspective is interesting, the Garhauer setup isn’t that much more than a couple of blocks, and it’s ready to go all the time. I’m sure blocks banging around on the lazy sheet are are a possible risk to the gelcoat.
     


  10. John Tubb

    John Tubb

    Joined Feb 14, 2017
    931 posts, 247 likes
    O'Day 25
    US Guntersville, AL
    That track is for the genoe, it is only along the cockpit. The jib blocks are about a foot aft of the shrouds. My most used sail is a 115 so I was looking at what could be done with that sail.

     


  11. DayDreamer41

    DayDreamer41

    Joined Oct 29, 2016
    1,098 posts, 529 likes
    Hunter 41 DS
    Un Port Huron
    Will,
    With the setup you displayed (Twing at the top of the track), it appears to me that you can adjust the length of the twing line (say that fast 10 times) which would allow the in haul line the ability to be adjust inward, the longer the twing the more inward the clew could be adjusted.
     


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