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  1. DougM

    DougM

    Joined Jul 24, 2005
    1,455 posts, 112 likes
    Beneteau 323
    US Manistee, MI
    I have towed a number of boats with 4 x 4 Jeeps and with 4 x 4 Tahoes out of slippery ramps.
    Often without even using 4 wheel drive... Just like driving on ice, slowly and not breaking traction. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people in this world who believe, that if the wheels start spinning, more throttle is the answer. Never forget that with most rear wheel drive vehicles, when the right rear loses traction,the left rear just sits there and does nothing, because the do not have positraction.
     


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  2. Scott T-Bird

    Scott T-Bird

    Joined Oct 26, 2008
    3,276 posts, 413 likes
    Starwind 27
    US Barnegat, NJ
    Does anybody need an explanation for positraction? ;)
     


  3. pateco

    pateco

    Joined Aug 12, 2014
    1,833 posts, 434 likes
    Hunter 31 (1983)
    US Pompano Beach FL
    We were towing a 19' Robalo Center console on an Aluminum Float on trailer with no trailer brakes. Similar to the one pictured below.

    Robalo.JPG
    My freind's boat was slightly overpowered with a 200 hp Mercury Black Max.

    Trailer brakes would have made it much easier. :banghead:
     


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  4. JimInPB

    JimInPB

    Joined Aug 22, 2017
    696 posts, 199 likes
    Hunter 212 & 170
    us West Palm Beach
    A trailer that weighed probably 3,500-4,000#, with no brakes, being pulled by a jeep that weighed maybe 3,000 with a driver & some gear on board...
    Yep, that sounds scary. That rig was waaaaayyyyy over the 40% rule.
     


  5. pateco

    pateco

    Joined Aug 12, 2014
    1,833 posts, 434 likes
    Hunter 31 (1983)
    US Pompano Beach FL
    Plus we had loaded the boat with all of the scuba tanks, weight belts, camping gear etc along with lots of beer. What were we thinking?
     


  6. MisterR6

    MisterR6

    Joined Mar 29, 2015
    47 posts, 28 likes
    MacGregor 25
    US trailer sailer
    The courthouse from that scene in my cousin vinny is where I register all my vehicles! Everytime I go in there I picture that movie. I park my truck for work in the lot where the little old lady that couldnt see without her glasses lived. I go to that exact store everyday( sac-o-suds). Great reference for positraction!!!
     


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  7. jeepbluetj

    jeepbluetj

    Joined Jan 18, 2016
    422 posts, 116 likes
    Catalina 30
    US Dana Point
    I've towed an offroad popup camper all over with my Jeep including out Coyote Canyon in Borrego. The low towing capacity on the short wheelbase Jeeps is due to the.... short wheelbase. Where a TJ (1999-2006 wrangler) would have been rated something like 1000lbs, an XJ (Cherokee of the same vintage) with the same exact drivetrain would be rated 5000. It's just too easy to end up facing the wrong way with a long trailer on a short vehicle. I've also towed the Jeep with my motorhome. It's much less whiteknuckle to tow the Jeep than to tow with one. A SWB jeep is a terrible vehicle to tow a boat with.

    Dunno how anybody would think Jeeps aren't very good offroad.....
    [​IMG]

    If I go to Big Bear to play in the snow, the only vehicle I'll take is my jeep. I've run Holcomb Creek trail in about a foot of snow before - had to winch alot tho.
     


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  8. Scott T-Bird

    Scott T-Bird

    Joined Oct 26, 2008
    3,276 posts, 413 likes
    Starwind 27
    US Barnegat, NJ
    That courtroom scene from beginning to end, where he brings Marisa Tomei in as a "hostile witness" is one of my ALL time favorite comedy scenes.
     


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  9. MisterR6

    MisterR6

    Joined Mar 29, 2015
    47 posts, 28 likes
    MacGregor 25
    US trailer sailer
    Great movie! Hard to believe its been 26 years! Still makes me laugh, now it makes my 10 year old laugh too!
     


  10. Rick Webb

    Rick Webb

    Joined Jun 2, 2004
    2,631 posts, 74 likes
    Hunter 23.5
    US Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
    What's a "yute"?
     


  11. MisterR6

    MisterR6

    Joined Mar 29, 2015
    47 posts, 28 likes
    MacGregor 25
    US trailer sailer
    0516181747.jpg Can you spot the two yutes at the sac-o suds?
     


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  12. MisterR6

    MisterR6

    Joined Mar 29, 2015
    47 posts, 28 likes
    MacGregor 25
    US trailer sailer
    0516181749.jpg Maybe this will help. They also run a rafting service...look at the vans very closely. Yes. I actually live in THAT town. Still tiny. Good little lake nearby that I live on. Not great for sailing, but there are bigger better lakes within an hour. My job is in a development on one of the better ones and I can dryslip my mac25 for cheap at work.
     


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  13. MisterR6

    MisterR6

    Joined Mar 29, 2015
    47 posts, 28 likes
    MacGregor 25
    US trailer sailer
    I keep my hobie at home for a quick sporty sail when conditions are good.
     


  14. Rick Webb

    Rick Webb

    Joined Jun 2, 2004
    2,631 posts, 74 likes
    Hunter 23.5
    US Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
    I am going to have to go through there on my next trip to North Carolina. Any excuse to skip Atlanta is welcome.
     


  15. Crazy Dave Condon

    Crazy Dave Condon

    Joined Jun 8, 2004
    6,229 posts, 453 likes
    -na -NA
    US Anywhere USA
    @pateco
    Not sure but check state regulations as to trailer brakes unless you are in one of those states that does not title or register boat trailers. The cutoff is generally 3000 pounds total weight being towed requiring brakes. Suggest you put them on for your safet as I do not want to see an obituary.
     


  16. Rick Webb

    Rick Webb

    Joined Jun 2, 2004
    2,631 posts, 74 likes
    Hunter 23.5
    US Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida

    Not sure how other states law reads but in Florida it is what the trailer is CAPABLE of carrying so even if you have a 2,000# boat on an 800# trailer with dual axles you must have brakes on BOTH axles.

    That being said I rarely see anyone with a boat under 25' with brakes that work unless the trailer is less than two years old.
     


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  17. pateco

    pateco

    Joined Aug 12, 2014
    1,833 posts, 434 likes
    Hunter 31 (1983)
    US Pompano Beach FL
    Dave,

    That trip was almost 40 years ago. I would not do it again without trailer brakes.
     


  18. Crazy Dave Condon

    Crazy Dave Condon

    Joined Jun 8, 2004
    6,229 posts, 453 likes
    -na -NA
    US Anywhere USA
    Whew. I did not want to call you crazy junior. Let that be one Crazy
     


  19. wing15601

    wing15601

    Joined Aug 28, 2015
    97 posts, 17 likes
    Oday 28
    US St Joseph, MI
    Many years ago I was launching my 15 foot boat for a day of flounder fishing in Brigantine, NJ but when I arrived at the ramp with my brand new car towing my boat I found the tide was out and the water was about a foot below the end of the ramp. Not to be deterred I backed down with the trailer wheels at the end of the ramp and got out to push the boat off the trailer but I was so far down the ramp that when I pushed the boat the whole car began to slide on the slimy ramp. I quickly grabbed some rocks for the car and trailer tires and stopped the slide and was then able to launch the boat. Fortunately another boater waiting for the ramp threw some sand under the wheels and I got the car back up the ramp and parked. I then realized in my excitement I hadn’t secured the boat and it was already 50 feet away in the current. I managed to swim to the boat, start it and get back to the dock. Then I realized I still had my wallet in my pocket. Just one of those days.
     


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  20. Will Gilmore

    Will Gilmore

    Joined Oct 19, 2017
    2,149 posts, 843 likes
    O'Day 19
    US Littleton, NH
    Today, you would have also had your cell phone and car remote unlock in your pocket.

    - Will (Dragonfly)
     


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