Help needed with trailer strategy

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  1. Norton750s

    Norton750s

    Joined Sep 28, 2017
    12 posts, 18 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Southeastern Pennsylvania
    I put this disc brake kit on my Load Rite trailer last summer, <$500 with shipping. Easy install, the kit comes with everything you need, it is all nuts and bolts work. The caliper brackets bolt to the square flange that the drum brake backing plate bolts on to.
    You will have to deal with your welded on actuator, nothing that a 4.5" angle grinder won't take care of. If you do a lot of salt water work they sell some pricier kits that come with stainless steel components.

    https://trailerparts.com/tie-down-r...MIv-b23ZC64AIVxkwNCh3zXg_3EAQYAiABEgLZ3_D_BwE
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  2. Igetit80

    Igetit80

    Joined Apr 9, 2017
    15 posts, 6 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Eagle Creek SC, Indianapolis
    I like the idea of disc brakes. If I go with tandem axles, would you recommend installing brakes on both? It seems like balance would be good for handling and control, but I'm not sure if that would make the hydraulic system harder to work effectively. I'm pretty sure I've seen discs installed on a hydraulic actuator system, right? (I've watched a LOT of YouTube lately on how to do axle/hub/brake work)
     


  3. Meriachee

    Meriachee

    Joined Aug 1, 2011
    3,239 posts, 1,095 likes
    Catalina 270
    CA Wabamun - on the orange ball
    For the difference in price, just do both. If you only do one, do the front one. It's not so much about the stopping power, you don't want the boat to come and sit with you, it is about the ability to control it in those situations that are a little dicey, like big hills where one set might overheat and warp a rotor, as having brakes on both axles would not be working as hard and you'd be fine.
     


  4. Rick Webb

    Rick Webb

    Joined Jun 2, 2004
    2,812 posts, 177 likes
    Hunter 23.5
    US Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
    Check with a professional before you do disks on both axles.

    Disk brakes require significantly more effort to actuate the pistons with a relatively light load there may not be enough force to engage the disc brakes on two axles whereas on a single axle with disks or with drum brakes on two axles there would be. No sense in spending all that money if they are not going to do you any good.
     


  5. Rick Webb

    Rick Webb

    Joined Jun 2, 2004
    2,812 posts, 177 likes
    Hunter 23.5
    US Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
    Rereading the initial post.
    If this trailer is ever dunked into salt water it be getting iffy after six months and will be toast within a year. All things considered it may be worth a new trailer rater than all the time and effort into this one. There is a lot of paint on this one that may be covering the beginnings of what will become some severe corrosion. Not to mention the peace of mind that would come with the new trailer.

    Were I to plan on the trips suggested I'd go ahead and bite the bullet on a galvanized trailer with brakes. The tounge jack and spare tire carrier can easily be added later. I'd also suggest if you go with a single axle trailer to consider a jack on the aft end of the trailer as well to keep the front of the trailer from lifting off the ground as you climb onto the stern of the boat or if it collects some rain water.
     


  6. Norton750s

    Norton750s

    Joined Sep 28, 2017
    12 posts, 18 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Southeastern Pennsylvania
    My trailer is single axle so I can't weigh in on the merits of brakes on a dual axle trailer. I would recommend looking into what your state requirements are. Here in PA a trailer over 3000 lb gvwr has to have brakes, and is then subject to an annual inspection requirement. The inspection regulations are pretty explicit that the trailer fails if any wheel does not have brakes. Trailerparts.com sells a tandem axle kit from Tie down engineering for around $800. You must get a hydraulic surge brake hitch that is intended for use with disc brakes. As I understand it the drum brake hitch has a check valve in the discharge of the cylinder, the check valve is removed for disc brake service.
     


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  7. Hardhead

    Hardhead

    Joined Apr 11, 2017
    314 posts, 119 likes
    Catalina C22
    US Solomon's Island, MD
    I have a 19 foot center console, probably about 5000 lbs, on a loadrite dual axle trailer, with only one set of disk brakes on the front axle. I've towed from MD to FL and back about 5 times, and never felt it didn't have more than enough stopping power on my rig, towed with an F150. I do believe the law in FL is that if you have brakes, they must also be on the 2nd axle, but I might be wrong on that.

    I replaced the factory front disk brakes with stainless steel kodiac brakes, and they've held up really well so far. If you are doing the brakes yourself, you might consider the stainless, they aren't that much more expensive. I should add though, I don't think you want to dunk the brakes when they are too hot.
     


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  8. Rick Webb

    Rick Webb

    Joined Jun 2, 2004
    2,812 posts, 177 likes
    Hunter 23.5
    US Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
    Exactly, and any trailer capable of a gross weight of I think #3,000 might be #3,500 must have brakes. That only applies to trailers registered in Florida if you meet the requirements in the state you are registered in you are OK. Not sure if matters when the trailer was manufactured and meeting the requirements at that time.
     


  9. Igetit80

    Igetit80

    Joined Apr 9, 2017
    15 posts, 6 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Eagle Creek SC, Indianapolis
    Rick, I have zero experience with salt water, so how much does it help if you hose down the trailer after each submersion? I'm hoping to do the Northern Gulf Coast and East Coast Cruises with the club this year, the trailer would get dunked 4 times total, all other use being fresh water. Before galvanized trailers were an option, what did you guys do to manage the corrosion? Rustoleum? Annual grinding and repaint? Some form of bottom paint?
     


  10. Rick Webb

    Rick Webb

    Joined Jun 2, 2004
    2,812 posts, 177 likes
    Hunter 23.5
    US Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
    The salt can not be just rinsed off. I do not remember anytime before galvanized trailers but those whose painted trailers I've seen used in the salt water went south very quickly. Add up all that would be required to get your trailer in shape and you are probably not far off the quote for the new trailer.
     


  11. Igetit80

    Igetit80

    Joined Apr 9, 2017
    15 posts, 6 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Eagle Creek SC, Indianapolis
    Same in Indiana for the weight requirement, but no annual inspection.

    Yep, I'm seeing actuators on some systems that have both hydraulic and electronic components. I thought the rule of thumb was electric for RVs and hydraulic for boats for the same reason its bad to drop a toaster into the bathtub...
     


  12. Igetit80

    Igetit80

    Joined Apr 9, 2017
    15 posts, 6 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Eagle Creek SC, Indianapolis
    That's how I got here. Any chance the Fort Walton Yacht Club has a small boat lift available? :biggrin:
     


  13. Norton750s

    Norton750s

    Joined Sep 28, 2017
    12 posts, 18 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Southeastern Pennsylvania
    I think the electronic component you are seeing is the reverse lockout. It is wired to the reverse light circuit on the trailer plug, and blocks hydraulic pressure to the brakes when you are backing up. Not sure how long it lasts if you submerge it.
     


  14. Rick Webb

    Rick Webb

    Joined Jun 2, 2004
    2,812 posts, 177 likes
    Hunter 23.5
    US Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
    Yes, but you'd only be able to lift about two thirds of your boat.
     


  15. Rick Webb

    Rick Webb

    Joined Jun 2, 2004
    2,812 posts, 177 likes
    Hunter 23.5
    US Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida


  16. pclarksurf

    pclarksurf

    Joined Jul 13, 2015
    538 posts, 294 likes
    Catalina 22 #2552
    US Kennewick, WA
    For comparison sake-- I took my stock '73 Sail Rite and bolted up a new #3500 axle / springs / hub/ wheels for around $600.00. Did all the work myself, and find the results (we road tested with the boat 300 miles round trip) quite pleasant. Think if I was to do anything short of what I accomplished I would just go new -- Philosophy is that my 1/3 investment should get me far enough down the road to not care when it comes time to talk trailer again.

    Fair Warning-- the upgraded Axle adds HEIGHT!!! I had raise my bunks to accomodate the keel -- doh :)

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  17. Igetit80

    Igetit80

    Joined Apr 9, 2017
    15 posts, 6 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Eagle Creek SC, Indianapolis
    Nice work, and you are lucky to have adjustable bunks. Mine are welded so I'll need to keep the replacement axle(s) as close to oem as possible, height-wise. Thanks for sharing your experience!
     


  18. stonybrookpictures

    stonybrookpictures

    Joined Jul 6, 2017
    27 posts, 5 likes
    Catalina 22 MKII
    US Providence RI
    If you can rebuild the trailer for half the cost of new I think you should do it. Just because it's 30 years old doesn't mean the metal is bad. Make sure the rebuilder knows what he (or she ) is doing. I had a lot of work done to my trailer the work was done by a firm that specializes in serious rust repair of cars and trucks. They did a nice job.
     




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