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Golden Globe race - to qualify!

Discussion in 'Ask All Sailors' started by Jackdaw, Jun 6, 2018. Add this thread to a FAQ

  1. dLj

    dLj

    Joined Mar 23, 2017
    293 posts, 102 likes
    Hunter 30
    US Snug Harbor, Lake Champlain
    I don't think it's lack of skill, but rather a different kind of skill. There's huge skill required to push those modern boats around as quickly as they do. In my mind there is no question they are extremely talented, excellent sailors.

    There is the aspects of ever increasing technological dependence/use. I think the weekend sailor that goes out extending their range well beyond the abilities aided by technology is another question, and I think perhaps the one you are referring to.

    If I am heading off shore, I'd take a Volvo Ocean race sailor (for example) with no qualms. Just some of the usual 'find out if we are compatible' type questions.

    Now if it's a weekend sailor who tells me he has done some ocean sailing I will be asking a shit-ton more questions. That experience won't be a green light from me. A while lot of needed hands on knowledge will have to be shown.

    What an awesome experience to have actually sailed with Bernard M. I met him in France when they were inducting one of his sailboats into the museum. I met him after all of the hullabaloo and he was just sitting and chatting with folks on the docks.

    dj
     


  2. Jackdaw

    Jackdaw

    Joined Nov 8, 2010
    9,656 posts, 2,707 likes
    Beneteau First 36.7 & 260
    US Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
    In every endeavor, advancing technology changes the skills needed to compete. Today’s race car drivers don’t shift the car manually, and have the cars systems monitored remotely via telematics. In the past, drivers had a mechanic ride along, keeping the car going. Someone could start a retro 1911 Indy car race, and I would find it interesting, but not representitive of modern racing skills.

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  3. jssailem

    jssailem

    Joined Oct 22, 2014
    7,325 posts, 2,803 likes
    CAL 35 Cruiser
    US Salem, Moored Port Everett WA
    Now that would be a bit of a hoot. Cars pulling off to the side of the track while the mechanic dives in under the hood... “Give it a go! No wait... Now”. VAROOOOOM. And off you go... Kind of like a Keystone Cops movie.
    Sure it would not compete with NASCAR, but it would make for an interesting afternoon on a small track where you could see most of the action. You might even introduce random failures just to see if the mechanic has any skills.
     


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  4. Jackdaw

    Jackdaw

    Joined Nov 8, 2010
    9,656 posts, 2,707 likes
    Beneteau First 36.7 & 260
    US Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
    Amazingly, lots of this was done while the car was moving. Grease pumps on everything.
     


  5. Will Gilmore

    Will Gilmore

    Joined Oct 19, 2017
    3,526 posts, 1,617 likes
    O'Day 19
    US Littleton, NH
    More like sailboat racing than modern formula racing.

    -Will (Dragonfly)
     


  6. Roadking Larry

    Roadking Larry

    Joined Mar 30, 2013
    632 posts, 133 likes
    Allied Seawind MK II 32'
    US Oologah Lake, Oklahoma


  7. AlastairLC

    AlastairLC

    Joined Jan 2, 2017
    392 posts, 119 likes
    O'Day 322
    US Lake Pleasant
    And then there were seven. Leader Jean-Luc is out. Susie Goodall moves to third.
     


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  8. jssailem

    jssailem

    Joined Oct 22, 2014
    7,325 posts, 2,803 likes
    CAL 35 Cruiser
    US Salem, Moored Port Everett WA
    This is a tough race even for the best.
    Here is his statement:
    Important message from Jean Luc:

    I had plenty of time to think about my situation during these four days of fleeing dry cape (en cape sèche) (220 miles lost to the North). The holding of my mast is today extremely precarious after my capsize. If I stop doing a repair, it will only be temporary. In order for Matmut to continue sailing, it will take more or less long to change to a new mast.

    So I decided to save my soul (dixit Moitessier) to continue my route non-stop and head for Les Sables d'Olonne.

    As soon as the sea will allow it I will climb in the mast to secure it as best as possible with the means of the edge. If I dismount, I have like all competitors a makeshift rig that will allow me to reach a port in full autonomy. I am no longer in racing mode but in safe mode. This is not the first time I will attempt to bring home a wounded boat. And if by miracle I get to the Sands, I do not care about the rankings, at least I will have tried. I cross my fingers and thank all those who help me in this adventure.​
     


  9. AlastairLC

    AlastairLC

    Joined Jan 2, 2017
    392 posts, 119 likes
    O'Day 322
    US Lake Pleasant
    Jen-Luc's still in it. (And still leading but with an 18 hour penalty.)

    At 1900hrs on NOV. 8th, GGR received a call from J-L VDHadvising that he had changed his mind and now intended to continue in the Race and not head to Chile, and confirmed that he had rung his wife in the hours after the mast problem. GGR advised that he would be moved to the Chichester Class. J-L VDHrequested that he be considered for a TIME PENALTY instead of being relegated to the CHICHESTER CLASS for his Satphone use, since no support was provided by the phone use and his HAM radio comms were good and providing all advice and assistance.

    FINDINGS
    It is confirmed that J-L VDH did use his Satphone in the first hours after the mast damage. This action breeched NOR 3.1.4 TELEPHONE CONTACT. It is confirmed that NO MATERIAL assistance was provided by the use of the phone and no further phone use was made during subsequent days.

    PENALTY
    In the spirit of the GOLDEN GLOBE RACE and noting the fact that J-L VDH received NO MATERIAL ASSISTANCE through the use of his GGR Satphone, GGR Organisers have applied an 18-hour time penalty to J-L VDH to be served in the GGR PENALTY BOX.
     


  10. jssailem

    jssailem

    Joined Oct 22, 2014
    7,325 posts, 2,803 likes
    CAL 35 Cruiser
    US Salem, Moored Port Everett WA
    It is likely a good outcome for Jen-Luc. He has competed so well and has a remarkable lead on the other sailors. Yet it was accomplished at a cost. One of the issues for this event is the mental. By reaching his wife and discussing his survival with her did he get help on not within the rules.

    That is for the rules committee to decide, and they have.

    That is a difficult race.
     


  11. plenny7

    plenny7

    Joined Oct 3, 2014
    223 posts, 125 likes
    Hunter 33.5
    US & Lake City, MN
    Not only did Jean-Luc get an 18 hour penalty, he also lost ground when he was heading north to port for nearly 4 days before he changed his mind and headed back south.

    When I started paying attention to this race, about a month before they started, I had three favorites for various reason...Slats (record for solo rowing across the Atlantic), Goodall (only female), and Kopar (only one sailing under the US flag), but it wasn't long before I was cheering for every one still in the race.

    There's already news about who's entering the 2022 GGR, and it will include Don McIntyre, the race director.
    https://goldengloberace.com/theyre-back-in-2022/
     


  12. shemandr

    shemandr

    Joined Jan 1, 2006
    3,739 posts, 722 likes
    Marblehead Skiff 14'
    US Greenport, NY
    I said from the beginning of this thread that I thought restrictions on using modern navigation and electronics is silly and dangerous. The original contestants would have used modern stuff if they had them. It's not like they eschewed the sextant to use a quadrant. Or left their chronometers home. And I can't understand penalizing someone who calls to tell his wife he is still alive and wants to have the conversation with her about continuing to risk his life.
     


  13. Scott B

    Scott B Moderator

    Joined Sep 20, 2006
    2,556 posts, 130 likes
    Hunter 33
    CA Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
    Reminds me of the movie about the 1996 Everest disaster where 8 people died. Most poignant part of the movie when one climber called his wife on his sat phone to say goodbye because he wasn't going to survive the storm.
     


  14. jssailem

    jssailem

    Joined Oct 22, 2014
    7,325 posts, 2,803 likes
    CAL 35 Cruiser
    US Salem, Moored Port Everett WA
    I think it is the correct thing to do. Call your loved one and share. Even so, if the rules say that is contrary to what you signed up for, then suck it up. The isolation of the experience is a factor in the race. A time penalty is so much better than a demotion to the alternate class for a racer in this race. On the other hand both the race classes are big thing to accomplish.
     


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  15. shemandr

    shemandr

    Joined Jan 1, 2006
    3,739 posts, 722 likes
    Marblehead Skiff 14'
    US Greenport, NY
    Into Thin Air. Jon Krakauer?
     


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  16. AlastairLC

    AlastairLC

    Joined Jan 2, 2017
    392 posts, 119 likes
    O'Day 322
    US Lake Pleasant


  17. Will Gilmore

    Will Gilmore

    Joined Oct 19, 2017
    3,526 posts, 1,617 likes
    O'Day 19
    US Littleton, NH
    So glad to hear she's ok.

    -Will (Dragonfly)
     


  18. Gunni

    Gunni

    Joined Mar 16, 2010
    5,573 posts, 1,269 likes
    Beneteau 411 Oceanis
    US Annapolis


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  19. AlastairLC

    AlastairLC

    Joined Jan 2, 2017
    392 posts, 119 likes
    O'Day 322
    US Lake Pleasant
    I liked her other statement:
    ‘IN NEED OF A GOOD CUPPA TEA! BUT SADLY NO COOKER’
     


  20. Gunni

    Gunni

    Joined Mar 16, 2010
    5,573 posts, 1,269 likes
    Beneteau 411 Oceanis
    US Annapolis
    That’s one of those things you comm to base to let them know you haven’t broken your funny bone, and lost your ability to cope. She is in a world of danger out there. She’s injured, she’s vulnerable, she’s alone. Hopefully she’l blow out past Cape Horn and into better seas.
     



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