Evolution of the cutter

Bill1565 · Sep 13, 2010

Jim, I have a "79 Hull #36. It is Shoal Draft. My traveler is in the cockpit. Boat came to me with it's 3rd Westerbeke in it this one a 35D. harken cruising R/F. No ss rail over dorades 3 large, 2 small ports. Lewmar 42 winches, no hinged teak step at top of boarding ladder. Can't help with the other mods unless you have pictures

Blaise · Sep 13, 2010

My 79 came with hyde stream stay roller furling, edson steering, and lewmar 42st's. I now have lewmar 46 st's for primaries and lewmar 40 sts for secondaries. traveler was changed twenty years ago to a harkin, still on the bridge deck. My hull number is 42 and I am the original owner.
Blaise

Ed Schenck · Sep 13, 2010

Funny that you should undertake that Jim. I started to do that in a Word document some time ago and never finished. My '79 is hull # 074. I don't think Bill's '79 is very representative because Chet P. made so many mods. Does anyone know for sure, was a Westerbeke ever standard in a '79? I think the '80s were mostly the same. Seems like the '78s had some differences. Here is what I had so far:

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]"During the twelve years that I have owned my 1979 H37-cutter we have compared notes about the differences from model year to model year. I am thinking that we could document those differences along with the year of the change. Every year is represented in the ‘Owner’s Directory’, even an ’85. So I can begin by listing features of the 1979. I can add comments about differences I know about from “talking” with you folks since 1998. And I have been on a few boats of later models.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Cockpit[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: the ’79 has the engine panel on the face of the bridgedeck and the traveler running across the width of the traveler. Left of the helm is the manual bilge pump. Right of the helm is a recessed pocket. There are two Signet instruments to port of the companionway. There is no portlight to starboard but there is one under the port locker lid. The coaming is level to the cabin. I mention this because in some year it swept up and I think across the cabin where a dodger would fit. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Cabin exterior[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: the ’79 has all opening portlights, per side there are three 7x15s and two 5x12s. There is a traveler in front of the mast and two dorades. There is no stainless guard nor winch handle box. I think all the boats had the same hatch layout, two over the salon and one over the v-berth.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Rigging[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: the ’79 has a solid rod Hyde Streamstay furler. Standing rigging is ¼” on the shrouds mid-stay and the backstay is 9/32”. The spars are Kenyon. The original mainsheet went from the cockpit forward under the boom then down and back to a winch and cleat on the port side of the companionway. The staysail sheet went forward under the boom then down and over to the starboard toerail. From there back to the cockpit along the toerail. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Cabin interior:[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] one major difference was in the head plumbing. The '79 has everything on starboard. The holding tank was under the shower seat on all years I think. My whale pump, Y-valve, and thru-hull were in the starboard v-berth locker. The galley stove was a Kenyon pressurized kerosene oven and range on gimbals."[/FONT]

Ed Schenck · Sep 14, 2010

Once this all gets wrung out what is next Jim? Can we come up with a concise format, maybe with pictures, and put it in "Hunter Owners Mods"? Or did you have some other idea? For now I will "Subscribe" so that I can follow.

sandpiper10471 · Sep 15, 2010

Thanks for taking this on, Jim. My vessel is an 81. I am third owner so will try to gi ve you what I believe is original.

portlights same as 79
engine panel below bridgedeck
pump and portlight to port in cockpit
traveller on bridgedeck
CDI furler (unless streamstay also had that strange tensioning handle)
teak louvered interior doors
Barient winches, #23 for primaries. I believe these were not self-tailing as there were cleats mounted on the teak combings just aft of them. ST must have been an option. I took the cleats off.
3QM20 original. I installed a Nanni 3.30
Alcohol stove - I found the receipts and work order for switching over to kerosene
same hatches as Ed mentioned plus small ones over galley and quarter berth
head to stbd, pumpout and discharge to port - STUPID!!!!! in my estimate. What were they thinking? Must have been a reason.
Edson steering
no teak transom step
cockpit combings as per 79
deep draft. which isn't very deep
Kenyon rigging as per everyone else

Hope this helps.

Ed Schenck · Sep 15, 2010

So the '79 and '81 used Edson but the '80 has a Yacht Specialties pedestal? Bill, is "3QM20" a typo? I am surprised that the '81 is so similar. Really just the furler and head plumbing I think. The '79 also has the small hatches over galley and q-berth.

Ed A · Sep 16, 2010

I will jump in and talk about my old 1984 37c.
Not all is as percieved.
My 84 has fixed plexiglass windows in the salon, the newer deck with midboom sheeting on the cabin top. instrument pannel left of the wheel. like described above. but there were some pretty nice differences that were ordered with the boat that made it a bit different.
I had cdi Roller furlers on both of the fore sails. For that to work it had to have the staysail boom installed on a pedistal just behind the stay. this made it possible to mount the boom there and let the furler turn. So the staysail sheet ran down to a track on a molded spot on the deck. She cam with stainless rails over the dorade boxes and over the staysail track to prevent fouling lines. the sheet had to run from the sail to the end of the boom and back forward to the base of the pedistal, then aft to the cockpit. All halyards were run aft to the cockpit thru cutouts in the raised part of the deck to rope clutches. Winches on either side of the companion way made it really nice. There were small hatches on each side of the companionway. one from the galley and one from the aft cabin.

the aft cabin had a opening to the cocpit area under the front of the seat.
Steering was merriman. water heater was mounted center line behine the engine.

Mine had a great running 4JHE Yanmar with 40 H.P. The engine was awsome in the boat burnt little fuel and never worked hard. I have towed a 36 footer on one corner and two j-24s on the other for twenty five or so miles and never missed a beat.

battery area sucked with what i think was a two level arrangement later put one in the bildge. Big bildge in the deep keel model.

In side the forward door arrangement is also different that earlier boats. the head has a door that opens forward. it doubles as a door to close off the v birth area.
on the port side in the forward cabin was the waste thru hull with hoses running under the floor to the starboard holding tank.
Also the model i had came with a hanging locker to port in the forward cabin, with no door. and a shelf area about it. about 5 feet high.
in the main salon the shelves outboard had sliding plexaglass not wood doors or unfinished openings.

She came with an alcohol stove 3 burner with oven. big pressure tank on the locker forward of the stove in the countertop.
the area behind the stove had a split opening door that came down over the stove to access built in dish racks and cup racks.
a port was installed in the over the counter that opened to the cocpit.
The v-bunk was shaped a bit different where the drop in goes. early ones sat differently. the cushion had a ply back built in that fit in a drop in recess in the face of the v bunk.

She came from the factory with 7 self tailing winches, two roller furlers, lazy jacks, Adler barber super cold machine, with water cooling, water heater, sailing instruments, wind speed and angle, depth.
That pretty well sums up how it was delivered. i think the hull number was 350.

Ed Schenck · Sep 17, 2010

Well he should be able to make the comparisons since Ed S.'s 1979 Ladylove is resting in Ed A.'s slip. I have sailed on his '84 and can attest to those differences. BUT I did not know those features were from the factory. The thing I remember most is the depth of the bilge on his fin keel boat compared to my shoal draft, cavernous!

Ed A · Sep 17, 2010

mine was a purchased as the top of the line boat, all that came from the factory.
I am missing her allright. maybe ill be able to get another one day.

Ed Schenck · Sep 19, 2010

What you sayin' Jim?: http://forums.hunter.sailboatowners.com/member.php?u=65066 .

P.S. I find 191 entries using "37-cutter". And then I find 6 more using "h37c" in the model field. I wonder what other "model" our boats might be listed as?

P.S.S> Using "37C" I find 23 entries but it includes the 6 mentioned above.

Ed Schenck · Sep 19, 2010

I did this very thing many years ago Jim. Might still have it at home on my desktop. At the time there were well over 200 entries. I never used the "Boat Info" for owners, always "Owner Directory". I found some more under "Boat Info" though, under "37". But not my own. I recognize them but did not cross-reference with "Owner Directory".

I think that you are missing a fair number of boats. Here are two more not found earlier in either place: http://forums.hunter.sailboatowners.com/memb. Whoops, that link is no good. Anyway I used 'cutter 37' under 'Owner Directory' and there were Mathurin2 and SailH37, wouldn't want to miss those guys. And I only get about 60 or so entries on your PDF.

sandpiper10471 · Sep 22, 2010

37224M81F - Just in case you don't have it. Boat's name is Little Wing.

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