Dutchman

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  1. Daveseid

    Daveseid

    Joined Jan 12, 2019
    12 posts, 1 likes
    Hunter 290
    US Newport Yacht Basin
    Hi all,

    Proud new owner of a beautiful C30. There's just a couple things needed to make it perfect... It originally had the Dutchman flaking system, but the previous owner removed it because the lines had degraded. I'd like to replace it, but haven't been able to find any information about it. Catalina Direct has a replacement for the topping lift line, but nothing about the monofilament attachment clamps/cars/whatever you call them. As best I can tell, a previous owner untied the original pennent-style looped topping lift for the Dutchman and spliced a wire halyard to it, but kept the full length of line in a coil on the mast. It has the original grommeted sail.

    Any idea where I could learn more about this system and possibly get replacement parts?

    Since I know someone will ask, the reason I want it is that I do a lot of evening sailing with my family where every minute is at a premium and my toddler is constantly trying to go swimming without authorization.

    Thanks!

    David
     


  2. DrJudyB

    DrJudyB

    Joined Jun 25, 2004
    349 posts, 259 likes
    Corsair F24 Mk1
    003 US San Francisco Bay, CA
    You can order replacement parts from Dutchman.com. They don’t list the component parts online, but they can email you a parts list and instructions.
     


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  3. LakeOntario270

    LakeOntario270

    Joined Jan 4, 2013
    186 posts, 37 likes
    Catalina 270
    US Rochester, NY
    I used heavy duty big game fish line to replace mine.
     


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  4. duality

    duality

    Joined May 25, 2004
    389 posts, 14 likes
    Catalina 400 mkII
    US Harbor
    go to the box store and buy weed wacker line. i did about 5 years ago and still working fine, ill change this year as they are alittle dirty
    mike
     


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  5. Justin_NSA

    Justin_NSA

    Joined Jul 7, 2004
    5,568 posts, 1,171 likes
    Hunter 30T
    US Cheney, KS
    It's actually dutchmar.com these days. Small company but easy to work with. I've ordered 400# filament and replacement blocks for my system.
     


  6. LeslieTroyer

    LeslieTroyer

    Joined May 20, 2016
    2,577 posts, 1,197 likes
    Catalina 36 MK1
    US Everett, WA
    Congrats on the 30. Be sure and join the C30 international association, they will have more info on maintaining and upgrading your C30 than you can consume. The C34.org also has tons of info on systems that are common between C30-C36’s. @Stu Jackson has done a fantastic job organizing the info so it’s fast to find what you need.

    Another advantage of the International Association is you get a copy of the Maisheet, a glossy quarterly mag with content about our boats. You’ll find photos of Stu and Myself as we both have columns in there.

    Now about your Dutchmen. I realize this is new to you but before rebuilding them, I think you should look into lazy jacks. As you read into the info above you’ll see a lot of Catalina owners have ditched the Dutchmen in favor of Lazy Jacks, take it a step further and add a Stack/Mac/whatever Pack and you’ll have the easiest system this side of inmast furling.

    Les
     


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  7. Justin_NSA

    Justin_NSA

    Joined Jul 7, 2004
    5,568 posts, 1,171 likes
    Hunter 30T
    US Cheney, KS
    People shy away from installing the Dutchman system because it involves modifying the sail. If your mainsail already has the reinforced holes, you are most of the way to having a working system. I've had lazy jacks and I have had (have) the Dutchman. I prefer the Dutchman 'cause I don't have the potential snagging batten issues you have with jacks and packs. The bags can trap water and invite birds if not made well.
    In the end, it's your decision. There's plenty of discussion on here about all options including no assist at all.
     


  8. ToddL214

    ToddL214

    Joined May 11, 2014
    24 posts, 9 likes
    Catalina 310
    US Lake Texoma
    Congrats on the new boat and all the fun and adventures you'll have.
    Please consider adding zippered openings in your main sail cover for your two Dutchman lines. Although our boat had the Dutchman when we bought her, our sail cover didn't have openings for the lines and consequently I wasn't a Dutchman fan initially. The problem was adjusting the Dutchman after each sail to allow enough slack for the sail cover to be put on kept me from consistently getting the line attachment points and line tension above the boom correct. Now that we have the openings in the sail cover we simply slack the topping lift to sail and tighten it prior to dropping the main. Our success flaking the main and satisfaction with the Dutchman system have both increased dramatically.
    Good luck and fair winds.
     


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  9. Stu Jackson

    Stu Jackson

    Joined Feb 26, 2004
    20,465 posts, 895 likes
    Catalina 34
    224 CA Maple Bay, BC, Canada
    Lazy Jack Trick

    Many folks complain about full battens getting caught up when raising the mainsail. They then spend a lot of time moving BOTH sides of the lazy jacks to the mast.

    We developed an easier way with our lazy jacks.

    We have a small cleat on the forward starboard side of the boom. When we put the halyard on the headboard, we move ONLY the starboard side of the lazy jacks forward and snug them under the forward side of the horn of this cleat.

    Then, when we raise the mainsail, instead of going exactly head to wind, we bear off a tad to starboard so the wind is coming from the port side of the bow.

    We then raise the mainsail and it doesn't get hooked on the lazy jacks even though the port side jacks are still there.

    Been working for 20 years.

    Yes, we have to go forward again to unhook the starboard lazy jack for dousing the sail if I forget to do it right when the main is raised, but there's never any hurry. The drill is: after the main is raised, I unhook that starboard lazy jack, so they're both ready to go when we drop the sails at the end of the day.

    So, for those of you with lazy jacks, consider doing only one side.

    Your boat, your choice. :)
     


  10. Justin_NSA

    Justin_NSA

    Joined Jul 7, 2004
    5,568 posts, 1,171 likes
    Hunter 30T
    US Cheney, KS
    I believe in the end, this becomes something like a boxers or briefs discussion.
    Financially speaking. the cheapest option for David may be to get the missing parts for the Dutchman
     


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  11. Daveseid

    Daveseid

    Joined Jan 12, 2019
    12 posts, 1 likes
    Hunter 290
    US Newport Yacht Basin
    Thanks all! I was able to find and order the parts on Dutchmar's website, which has got to be the worst commercial website I've ever used. Total was only $123.

    I spent a lot of time researching Dutchman vs. lazy jacks. My conclusion was that if the sail is already fitted for a Dutchman system, going with that is a no-brainer - getting only the topping lift parts is cheaper and doesn't require me to go aloft or drill the mast to install the hardware, and messing with lazy jack lines sounds like work. I do plan to add zippers to the sail cover as mentioned. I also looked at Stack Packs but the cost didn't seem worth it.

    Joining the C30 association now - thanks for the pointer!
     


  12. Justin_NSA

    Justin_NSA

    Joined Jul 7, 2004
    5,568 posts, 1,171 likes
    Hunter 30T
    US Cheney, KS
    :thumbup: I can take pictures of my zippered sailcover and post them if you need an example.
    I think the company is a family business tailored mostly to phone and email orders.
     


  13. Daveseid

    Daveseid

    Joined Jan 12, 2019
    12 posts, 1 likes
    Hunter 290
    US Newport Yacht Basin
    Thanks, I'll let you know if I need that. I think I should be able to find someone local (Seattle) to do the job.
     


  14. LeslieTroyer

    LeslieTroyer

    Joined May 20, 2016
    2,577 posts, 1,197 likes
    Catalina 36 MK1
    US Everett, WA
    @Daveseid you should plan on coming to the Catalina Rendezvous - lots of fun.

    2019 All-Catalina Rendezvous
    Sponsored by C42 Fleet 12

    Where:
    Roche Harbor on San Juan Island, WA

    When:
    May 2-5, 2019

    Who:
    All Catalina sailboats

    Organizers:
    Ken Fischer, C42 Solaria (catalina42@mac.com)
    Martin Mollat, C28 Peace (MartinMollat@hotmail.com)
     


  15. Daveseid

    Daveseid

    Joined Jan 12, 2019
    12 posts, 1 likes
    Hunter 290
    US Newport Yacht Basin
    That sounds fun! I may have to give it a shot, if I can make it work with my work schedule.
     


  16. lillia28

    lillia28

    Joined Jul 22, 2011
    140 posts, 26 likes
    Mariner Yacht Co.(NH) Mariner 28
    US Atlantic Highlands, NJ
    +1 on monofiliment. There is nothing special about the line, and it is routine to replace it every 3-5 years. I've had a dutchman for about 10 years and love it. Check the web site they used to have the install manual on line for download. If you can't find it, PM me I have a PDF somewhere. Once you get used to it its a piece of cake. The hardest part is figuring out which side to start the top on when you are threading the line, and that isn't that hard.
    Lou
     


  17. Daveseid

    Daveseid

    Joined Jan 12, 2019
    12 posts, 1 likes
    Hunter 290
    US Newport Yacht Basin
    I got their official monofilament since I was already paying for shipping, but will probably go the Home Depot route when it's due for replacement. I found and downloaded the manual - thanks! This is looking like a very easy upgrade. Making the perfect boat even perfect-er! :)
     


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  18. mortyd

    mortyd

    Joined Dec 11, 2004
    948 posts, 14 likes
    Catalina 30
    US easy living
    you guys are not mentioning one of the main advantages of the dutchman - unlike lazy jacks, the boat does not need to pointed into or near the wind. much easier to use when lowering the main.
     


  19. LeslieTroyer

    LeslieTroyer

    Joined May 20, 2016
    2,577 posts, 1,197 likes
    Catalina 36 MK1
    US Everett, WA
    Lazy jacks don’t need to be pointed into wind when sail coles down. Going up I use my hand to steer the boom so battons don’t catch. Easier than pulling back one side.

    Les
     


  20. mortyd

    mortyd

    Joined Dec 11, 2004
    948 posts, 14 likes
    Catalina 30
    US easy living
    maybe your lazy jacks and your wind, but not mine.
     




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