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Damage Assessment

Discussion in 'Ask A Catalina Owner' started by Monomachos, Jun 29, 2018. Add this thread to a FAQ

  1. Monomachos

    Monomachos

    Joined Jun 13, 2018
    14 posts, 4 likes
    Catalina C-22
    US Orange Beach, AL
    Hello all,

    Looking at an otherwise very sweet 1981 C-25. Surveyor found some damage this morning. I’ve yet to receive his full report but he sent me this picture below. Please take a look at it if you will and advise as to if this can even be repaired to get her seaworthy (assuming seller goes wayyy down on price). Looks like the keel dropped and then the problem was not properly attended to and became worse over the years. Any help/experience would be most appreciated!
     

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  2. Monomachos

    Monomachos

    Joined Jun 13, 2018
    14 posts, 4 likes
    Catalina C-22
    US Orange Beach, AL
    He will be providing appraisal tomorrow and estimated repair costs, but wanted to get as many opinions on this as I could. Thanks, ladies and gents.
     


  3. Jackdaw

    Jackdaw

    Joined Nov 8, 2010
    8,785 posts, 2,122 likes
    Beneteau First 36.7 & 260
    US Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
    Factoring in that 91 Cat25s can be had for $5K, why would you even think about one has major damage? That repair could cost as much as the boat costs. And leaving the boat in that half-assed condition speaks to the ownership and the general state that you will find everything else. That's not the only place they cut corners or took the cheap way out.
     


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  4. JRacer

    JRacer

    Joined Aug 9, 2011
    703 posts, 172 likes
    Beneteau 310
    US Cheney KS (Wichita)
    Agree with Clay on the repair could easily match the value of the boat.
     


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  5. Monomachos

    Monomachos

    Joined Jun 13, 2018
    14 posts, 4 likes
    Catalina C-22
    US Orange Beach, AL
    Roger that, men. Thanks for the quick replies. I’m likely letting my desire for a C-25 (been looking and looking; need swing keel and trailer) cloud my judgement. I’m much obliged for the sober words, gents.
     


  6. Don S/V ILLusion

    Don S/V ILLusion

    Joined Sep 25, 2008
    5,031 posts, 265 likes
    Alden 50
    US Sarasota, Florida
    It's always a good idea to do your own inspection before hiring a surveyor. Had you posted this before spending money on a survey, I suspect the consensus would be to not bother going further.

    My only other thought is that if you did want to move forward with this, get whomever you would hire for the repair to give an estimate rather than rely on "the guy who doesn't have to do it". If you plan a DIY repair, you have no real basis to negotiate a specific price reduction.
     


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  7. Monomachos

    Monomachos

    Joined Jun 13, 2018
    14 posts, 4 likes
    Catalina C-22
    US Orange Beach, AL
    I think it’s unlikely I’ll move forward and certainly not DIY something like this. I would have gone to the boat first but she’s quite a ways distance, hence bringing in the surveyor on the front end.
     


  8. Jackdaw

    Jackdaw

    Joined Nov 8, 2010
    8,785 posts, 2,122 likes
    Beneteau First 36.7 & 260
    US Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
    That's smart. I did the same thing recently, but agreed to a 'short circuit' price if the surveyor found something in a preliminary walk-around that would likely abort the sale. They would send an pic via cell phone and let me see.
     


  9. Monomachos

    Monomachos

    Joined Jun 13, 2018
    14 posts, 4 likes
    Catalina C-22
    US Orange Beach, AL
    That’s a great idea, JackDaw. Wish I’d thought of requesting something like that with this guy. I’ll let y’all know the highlights of the survey tomorrow . . .
     


  10. JRacer

    JRacer

    Joined Aug 9, 2011
    703 posts, 172 likes
    Beneteau 310
    US Cheney KS (Wichita)
    You might want to look at www.sailingtexas.com under the Boats for sale, Catalina Capri listings. I note there is an 88 Cat 27 for sale in your neck of the woods and see several Cat 25's
     


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  11. Apex

    Apex

    Joined Jun 19, 2013
    740 posts, 81 likes
    Oday 28
    US Traverse City


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  12. shemandr

    shemandr

    Joined Jan 1, 2006
    3,429 posts, 530 likes
    Marblehead Skiff 14'
    US Greenport, NY
    If you search these forums or note how many posts on these forums are about centerboard/swing keel problems I would avoid buying a boat with even a whiff of a problem.
     


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  13. Monomachos

    Monomachos

    Joined Jun 13, 2018
    14 posts, 4 likes
    Catalina C-22
    US Orange Beach, AL
    Shemandr, yeah, I started looking today after I got the pics and they are everywhere indeed. I learnt a lesson here on vigilance and doing one’a homework.
     


  14. Monomachos

    Monomachos

    Joined Jun 13, 2018
    14 posts, 4 likes
    Catalina C-22
    US Orange Beach, AL
    Thanks for this. I’d heard of Sailing Texas but never looked closely. Only been looking on Craigslist and Facebook. That C-27 is enticing and very near me, but my wetslip limits me and I really need as little draft as I can get by with given the water around my place.
     


  15. Monomachos

    Monomachos

    Joined Jun 13, 2018
    14 posts, 4 likes
    Catalina C-22
    US Orange Beach, AL
    Thanks for the reference. I’ll spend some time reading and looking there.
     


  16. Monomachos

    Monomachos

    Joined Jun 13, 2018
    14 posts, 4 likes
    Catalina C-22
    US Orange Beach, AL
    Hello folks, see the attached doc for the highlights of the survey and the issue I mentioned yesterday. Value (with repairs made) was put at $3500. I'm sure your opinions still stand but here it is. Enjoy the reading . . .
     

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  17. Stu Jackson

    Stu Jackson

    Joined Feb 26, 2004
    19,849 posts, 531 likes
    Catalina 34
    224 CA Maple Bay, BC, Canada
    Yes, nothing much has changed.
    These are THE folks who should see this, because they, much more than those of us on this great forum, have BTDT. Why? Because they ALL OWN C25s. I used to own one...:) But it was a FK.
    They'd be able to tell you whether the fix ideas are proper, whether the cost is reasonable and if the valuation makes sense.
    Sign up for their forum, it costs nothing.
    Good luck.
     


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  18. Monomachos

    Monomachos

    Joined Jun 13, 2018
    14 posts, 4 likes
    Catalina C-22
    US Orange Beach, AL
    Thanks, Stu. I gave a hard pass on this boat. I’ll head over to that forum and start getting some wisdom.
     



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