Collision today

Apr 7, 2016
184
Beneteau First 305 Seward, Alaska
Well not exactly the same situation, but up here we had a significant collision of two fishing boats. Boat 1 was dropping a net and boat 2 and 3 (yes TWO other boats) attempted to block the other boat out. Boat 2 purposefully rammed it. The operator of boat 1 sustained significant head and other injuries. Guess what the verdict was? Yep 50/50 because the boat should’ve been aware of the situation and not put himself in that situation. So, as I’m sure you know, maritime laws aren’t as concrete as the other guy didn’t yield.
 
Sep 20, 2014
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Rob Legg RL24 Chain O'Lakes
He had outboards and probably would not have lost steering unless he threw it into reverse.
Outboards have even less effect on steering than inboard with a rudder. An outboard has NO rudder. The only steering you have is the prop pushing the boat. If the prop speed is less than the speed of the water flowing past it, it can not push the boat sideways to alter its direction. You have to be under power to steer, because your prop is your rudder.
 
Jan 22, 2008
8,050
Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
Imagine if the power boat ran onto a pile of rocks that were supposed to yield to the power boat. Like a bullet that leaves the gun, it has no target- it will hit whatever is in front of it. /// Webster can delete the word "accident" from the dictionary. It seems there are no longer any "accidents", as there is always some one at fault for causing it. Just ask a lawyer!
 
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Apr 7, 2016
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Beneteau First 305 Seward, Alaska
Imagine if the power boat ran onto a pile of rocks that were supposed to yield to the power boat. Like a bullet that leaves the gun, it has no target- it will hit whatever is in front of it. /// Webster can delete the word "accident" from the dicitionary. It seems the are no longer any "accidents", as there is always some one at fault for causing it. Just ask a lawyer!
From a philosophical point, I one hundred percent agree! I don’t believe in coincidence, chance, or accidents. There is always a reason why something happened. It may take a Swiss cheese model to get to it, but you’ll get there eventually.
 
May 28, 2015
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Catalina 385 Long Branch, NJ
Outboards have even less effect on steering than inboard with a rudder. An outboard has NO rudder. The only steering you have is the prop pushing the boat. If the prop speed is less than the speed of the water flowing past it, it can not push the boat sideways to alter its direction. You have to be under power to steer, because your prop is your rudder.
I understand but having driven outboards you’d be surprised at the range of steering even when downthrottling ... there is latent thrust that can effect very sharp turns ... the 90 degree collision suggests they hit before a turn could be executed.
 
Jun 14, 2010
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Seafarer 29 Oologah, OK
I decided to take a stab at actually calculating the relative degree of fault of the two skippers (an exercise in futility if ever there was one).

First, given the speed of each vessel and therefore the amount of damage each could do: while neither speed is known exactly, conservatively we could say that the powerboat is moving five times faster than the sailboat (25 kts vs. 5 kts). Since the amount of kinetic energy varies with the square of velocity, a vessel moving 5X faster has 25X more kinetic energy than one of equal mass. So if the vessels are roughly equal in mass, the ratio is 25:1 or in terms of percentage, rounded to the nearest percent, 96 to 4. Thus, if both skippers are equally inattentive, then the blame ought to split at 96/4 according to how much damage they might do. If the powerboat is only going 4X the sailboat’s speed the ratio is 16:1 or 94/6. At 3X it is still 9:1 or 90/10.

But, were the skippers equally inattentive? Well, the powerboat skipper was objectively known to be not watching for some time since he rammed a large, clearly visible, nearly stationary (relatively speaking, of course!) object. The sailboat skipper may not have been paying any attention at all either, but that is not objectively known since he is a passive actor in the situation. Also the situation requires the sailboat skipper’s attention to be distributed around the entire horizon whereas the powerboat skipper need only be watching his heading to avoid the collision. Additionally the sailboat skipper need not be looking to hear the powerboat approaching, while the powerboat skipper must be specifically looking since he can’t hear a sailboat or warning shouts or whistles (likely) over the roar of his outboards. Thus the powerboat skipper’s failure to watch is more blameworthy than the sailboat by a factor of 4.

Then there’s the Colregs. The sailboat as stand-on vessel had no obligation to alter course until it was evident that not doing so would result in being hit. Arguably he even had an obligation to hold course up to that point. Now the point at which he must change course to avoid collision is highly subjective due to the high closing speed from a near head-on angle and the stress of the encounter, so failure to do so in time, while an error in judgment, cannot bear the same responsibility as the powerboat’s obligation under the regs to give way. So under the regulations alone, the powerboat skipper’s fault is something like 4 times the sailor’s.

And as has been mentioned there is the skipper’s responsibility to protect his passengers from harm. The sailor had one crew, the fishing captain had 6 crew and guests. Therefore the blame comes down 6 lives to 1 against the powerboat.

So overall by my calculation, we have 95 X 4 X 4 X 6 for the powerboat driver vs. 5 X 1 X 1 X 1 for the sailor. That’s a ratio of 1824:1, or in percentage terms, 99.95% power, 0.05% sailor – or rounded to the nearest percent, 100/0.
 
May 17, 2004
5,078
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
I decided to take a stab at actually calculating the relative degree of fault of the two skippers (an exercise in futility if ever there was one).

First, given the speed of each vessel and therefore the amount of damage each could do: while neither speed is known exactly, conservatively we could say that the powerboat is moving five times faster than the sailboat (25 kts vs. 5 kts). Since the amount of kinetic energy varies with the square of velocity, a vessel moving 5X faster has 25X more kinetic energy than one of equal mass. So if the vessels are roughly equal in mass, the ratio is 25:1 or in terms of percentage, rounded to the nearest percent, 96 to 4. Thus, if both skippers are equally inattentive, then the blame ought to split at 96/4 according to how much damage they might do. If the powerboat is only going 4X the sailboat’s speed the ratio is 16:1 or 94/6. At 3X it is still 9:1 or 90/10.

But, were the skippers equally inattentive? Well, the powerboat skipper was objectively known to be not watching for some time since he rammed a large, clearly visible, nearly stationary (relatively speaking, of course!) object. The sailboat skipper may not have been paying any attention at all either, but that is not objectively known since he is a passive actor in the situation. Also the situation requires the sailboat skipper’s attention to be distributed around the entire horizon whereas the powerboat skipper need only be watching his heading to avoid the collision. Additionally the sailboat skipper need not be looking to hear the powerboat approaching, while the powerboat skipper must be specifically looking since he can’t hear a sailboat or warning shouts or whistles (likely) over the roar of his outboards. Thus the powerboat skipper’s failure to watch is more blameworthy than the sailboat by a factor of 4.

Then there’s the Colregs. The sailboat as stand-on vessel had no obligation to alter course until it was evident that not doing so would result in being hit. Arguably he even had an obligation to hold course up to that point. Now the point at which he must change course to avoid collision is highly subjective due to the high closing speed from a near head-on angle and the stress of the encounter, so failure to do so in time, while an error in judgment, cannot bear the same responsibility as the powerboat’s obligation under the regs to give way. So under the regulations alone, the powerboat skipper’s fault is something like 4 times the sailor’s.

And as has been mentioned there is the skipper’s responsibility to protect his passengers from harm. The sailor had one crew, the fishing captain had 6 crew and guests. Therefore the blame comes down 6 lives to 1 against the powerboat.

So overall by my calculation, we have 95 X 4 X 4 X 6 for the powerboat driver vs. 5 X 1 X 1 X 1 for the sailor. That’s a ratio of 1824:1, or in percentage terms, 99.95% power, 0.05% sailor – or rounded to the nearest percent, 100/0.
An exercise in futility for sure, but a fun read.
 
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Sep 20, 2014
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Rob Legg RL24 Chain O'Lakes
Then there’s the Colregs. The sailboat as stand-on vessel had no obligation to alter course until it was evident that not doing so would result in being hit.
And there is the crux of the problem. The point at which it is evident that not changing course will result in a collision is actually TO LATE to do anything about it. Most power boats will deviate somewhere between 150 to 200 feet. If the boat is traveling at 44 ft per second (30 mph), that give 3 or 4 seconds to change course and actually move the sailboat far enough to be out of the way.
 
Jan 7, 2011
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Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
So overall by my calculation, we have 95 X 4 X 4 X 6 for the powerboat driver vs. 5 X 1 X 1 X 1 for the sailor. That’s a ratio of 1824:1, or in percentage terms, 99.95% power, 0.05% sailor – or rounded to the nearest percent, 100/0.
I vote for this...despite @Stu Jackson’s mockery!
No way the sailboat skipper should be responsible.

Greg
 
Mar 31, 2013
234
O'day 23 Pa
Just for the fun of it!

"Also the situation requires the sailboat skipper’s attention to be distributed around the entire horizon whereas the powerboat skipper need only be watching his heading to avoid the collision"

Incorrect your Honor , the powerboat was also watching the entire horizon, scanning for equally stupid owners who had more money , thus faster stink pots that may have been on a collision course with the original stink pot, perhaps the collision was caused by moron #1 trying to avert a collision with moron #2 ?
The collision was averted , thankfully, due to the fact that moron #1 mounted the sailboat!
We should all be celebrating the lucky turn of events, could have been worse :)