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Discussion in 'The Cherubini Hunters' started by lingerfeltja, Jan 13, 2018. Add this thread to a FAQ

  1. lingerfeltja

    lingerfeltja

    Joined Jun 4, 2004
    46 posts, 7 likes
    Hunter 37 Cutter
    US St. Joseph, Michigan
    Bad news: while pulling my boat, the yard mangled the anchor roller (anchor was removed for storage).
    Good news: they will have a new one fabricated.
    I’ve never liked the original. Way too small and short for my CQR primary. We cruise in the Great Lakes. Frequently anchor overnight.
    Any advice on improvements or upgrades?
    Thank you.
     


  2. justsomeguy

    justsomeguy

    Joined Feb 20, 2011
    6,243 posts, 766 likes
    Island Packet 35
    US Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
    Upgrade the CQR to a new generation anchor?
     


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  3. lingerfeltja

    lingerfeltja

    Joined Jun 4, 2004
    46 posts, 7 likes
    Hunter 37 Cutter
    US St. Joseph, Michigan
    Good idea. Thanks. Would one fit in a bow roller similar to the original? If not, what mods would be necessary?
    I’m not up on the newest ground tackle. What type and size would be recommended for an H37?
     


  4. ggrizzard

    ggrizzard

    Joined May 27, 2004
    988 posts, 75 likes
    Hunter 30_74-83
    US Ponce Inlet FL
    A Mantus/Rochna/Manson type didn't fit on my old roller that did work with my CQR. Go to West and match up the anchor type you want with one of several rollers. take pictures and take pics to the yard.
     


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  5. shemandr

    shemandr

    Joined Jan 1, 2006
    3,422 posts, 527 likes
    Marblehead Skiff 14'
    US Greenport, NY
    What I didn't like about the roller on my H356 was that it had an edge at the end. Since these boats sail around on their anchors I was always worried that the edge would saw through the rode (Never happened). If I had any say in the design I would have the end flared. On my boat the rode went through the windlass. All chain would help but then there would be less shock absorption. Or so it is proposed. You could use a bridle but that does complicate the system.
     


  6. Cat 310 #1 in GA

    Cat 310 #1 in GA

    Joined Jan 17, 2013
    241 posts, 28 likes
    Catalina 310
    US St. Simons
    I have a Bruce anchor but when I eventually upgrade will definitely go to a mantus.
    bob
     


  7. lingerfeltja

    lingerfeltja

    Joined Jun 4, 2004
    46 posts, 7 likes
    Hunter 37 Cutter
    US St. Joseph, Michigan
    This is an addition to my question: what about adding a manual windlass? How do others retrieve their anchors? I currently raise it by hand. Tiring.
    Thank you.
    Jim
     


  8. Stu Jackson

    Stu Jackson

    Joined Feb 26, 2004
    19,846 posts, 531 likes
    Catalina 34
    224 CA Maple Bay, BC, Canada
    Try these:

    Anchor Selection 101 includes good discussions of various system selections and pictures of new generation anchors on bowsprits both short and extended http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,4457.0.html

    Why NEW GEN Anchors are Better:

    http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,2705.msg19651.html#msg19651

    Anchor System Sizing Tables (Reply #6) & Why Swivels are a bad idea http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,4990.msg30400.html#msg30400

    Steve’s Anchoring 101

    The Rocna. All 20kg of it with 100ft of chain. The rest of the world can debate all they like. When I pull into a place like Bodega Bay at midnight and the fog is so thick I can't see the jetty 50 feet away to make an entrance, I drop my hook in the rolling ocean swells with the surf crashing (Foster says it's like staying in a cheap Best Western beside the highway), and I sleep. And in the morning I have a windlass to pull the beast up and I wouldn't trade it for anything. (I also wouldn't add more chain - this works perfectly in 25 to 30 feet of water - you let all the chain out and you tie off nylon at the preferred scope and don't bother with snubbers and chain hooks and all that stuff...)

    This was our best upgrade.
     


  9. Gunni

    Gunni

    Joined Mar 16, 2010
    5,070 posts, 957 likes
    Beneteau 411 Oceanis
    US Annapolis
    Ask the yard to PLEASE have the fabricator work directly with you. He can referee with the yard if you are making expensive demands, but otherwise have an updated bow roller built. Be prepared to pay the difference if necessary. Stroll the yard and take pictures of bow rollers on newer boats (not too new, they have gone back to being whimpy bow rollers on new production boats.). As Andrew notes, a flare in the side plates in front of the roller is a good idea. Strong attachments and beefy side plates are important. Make sure it is long enough to get the anchor off your bow gelcoat.

    You really should have a windlass. Manual for sure, powered if you can deal with running power and wiring a solenoid at the bow.
     


  10. Jim Legere

    Jim Legere

    Joined Jun 8, 2004
    837 posts, 59 likes
    Hunter 37-cutter
    CA 44°38'15"N63°55'36"W
    Jim, many of us have installed windlasses on our H37Cutters. Upgraded the bow rollers as well. Check the owner modification pages under the Boat Info tab for our model (above).

    A horizontal windlass will fit quite nicely in the H37C anchor locker. I installed an SL1200 (no longer made) on mine years ago. Can't imagine hauling anchor by hand anymore.
     


  11. Alansails

    Alansails

    Joined Oct 3, 2011
    556 posts, 64 likes
    Anam Cara Catalina 310 Hull #155
    US Lake Erie/Catawba Island
    A while ago I remember reading in a story about anchors the author was talking about CQR anchors and his opinion stated that stood for "Crappy Quick Replace".
    We replaced our Danforth with a Manson Supreme.
     


  12. lingerfeltja

    lingerfeltja

    Joined Jun 4, 2004
    46 posts, 7 likes
    Hunter 37 Cutter
    US St. Joseph, Michigan
    You guys are great. Thank you.
    Jim, do they make horizontal manuals?
     


  13. EAMc2

    EAMc2

    Joined Oct 1, 2016
    7 posts, 0 likes
    Hunter 37C Cherubini
    US Palm Beach, FL
    We are getting ready to have an offset bow roller fabricated. One side for our Bruce & the other side for our Mantus. We have 100' chain on each.
     


  14. Jim Legere

    Jim Legere

    Joined Jun 8, 2004
    837 posts, 59 likes
    Hunter 37-cutter
    CA 44°38'15"N63°55'36"W
    Most of the manual windlasses are in fact horizontal - for example the Lofrans Royal.
    Personally, I would consider going electric - try and find a used one.
     


  15. lingerfeltja

    lingerfeltja

    Joined Jun 4, 2004
    46 posts, 7 likes
    Hunter 37 Cutter
    US St. Joseph, Michigan
    I write to this forum like a conversation. Moments after asking the question, I researched and learned that was the case. I’ll slow down. Thank you.
    Jim
     


  16. Jim Legere

    Jim Legere

    Joined Jun 8, 2004
    837 posts, 59 likes
    Hunter 37-cutter
    CA 44°38'15"N63°55'36"W
    Its nice to have a good conversation...people don't talk to one another enough these days. (mostly just posting on Facebook: "look at me!") ;)
    Cheers.
     


  17. jssailem

    jssailem

    Joined Oct 22, 2014
    5,541 posts, 1,835 likes
    CAL 35 Cruiser
    US Salem, Moored Port Everett WA
    @lingerfeltja Think of it as an old time party line. You start the conversation with one person and suddenly everyone on the same line picks up the phone and shares ideas.

    I think that is the way many families shared meal menus.

    My mom never shared her special cookie recipes on the party line. That was just for family and the envy of neighbors.
     


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  18. Alansails

    Alansails

    Joined Oct 3, 2011
    556 posts, 64 likes
    Anam Cara Catalina 310 Hull #155
    US Lake Erie/Catawba Island
    PARTY LINES????- John you are showing your age..:laugh:
    I also remember party lines and clicking when someone else was talking and you wanted to make a call!!!! OMG
    But lingerfeltja look at the knowledge everyone has and is willing to share!
     


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  19. lingerfeltja

    lingerfeltja

    Joined Jun 4, 2004
    46 posts, 7 likes
    Hunter 37 Cutter
    US St. Joseph, Michigan
    I’m relatively late to the game of cruising and I don’t have unlimited resources. The privilege of enjoying the benefit of your collective knowledge and experience is a huge blessing.
     


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  20. sandpiper10471

    sandpiper10471

    Joined May 31, 2007
    701 posts, 4 likes
    Hunter 37 cutter
    CA Blind River
    The original design works well for one anchor (I use a Bruce in the North Channel) except for one major flaw. The jaws (cheeks, flanges) holding the rollers are too close and the shackle for attaching chain to stock often gets jammed sideways in the channel. If copying the original, I would have the fabricators add about a half inch of width to each side and eliminate this problem. Then you will have a great system.
    Although hand bombing a 15 kg anchor is not a big issue for me, I must confess the electric windlass is one of the best mods I have made to the old girl.