Yet another window replacement material debate?

Apex

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Jun 19, 2013
1,197
C&C 30 Elk Rapids
No Worries is tucked away for the winter, under cover and without any windows currently. We did install some plastic sheeting for an added layer of protection from the elements and critters.

I will be building windows out of polycarbonate or acrylic. What I have found in research is Lexan (polycarbonate) is preferred due to performance, and acrylic is then more often installed due to cost savings?
What is the general consensus for the window material?

The exterior plastic frames of the windows are also toast: UV degraded to beyond brittle. So I will likely install a frameless configuration, adhering with Dow795. It aslso appears that the interior trim pieces will install with no drama, a good thing.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,667
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
The only "debate" I know of is by folks who don't do this stuff for a living...

Here is Tony D'Andrea's take on this. Tony owns Select Plastics the worlds largest marine hatch and port warranty and repair facility. To call him the guru of marine portlights & hatches etc. would be an understatement.


"Consider the Following:

All major hatch, portlight and window manufacturers use Acrylic in offshore / bluewater marine products.

Acrylic is more scratch resistant than standard (9034) polycarbonate.

Acrylic is significantly more durable when exposed to Ultra Violet radiation (sunlight).

Acrylic is less expensive than Polycarbonate.

Don't misunderstand my preference for acrylic. I buy, use and sell a significant amount of both products and each has its application. In my humble opinion Acrylic is more durable, versatile and cost effective in the hands of a skilled craftsman than polycarbonate.

Additional considerations may include polycarbonate with UV and scratch resistant coatings. While these products are heavily promoted by several manufacturers and carry 5, 10 even 15 year warranties the following information has been reported in "real life"applications:

Polycarbonate is impact resistant. When its new it is almost impossible to break.

Small quantities (less than a 4 by 8) in gauges over 1/8th inch are difficult to to find in the uv/scratch resistant grades.

Colors are limited. Only two standards (gray and bronze). Try and find anything thicker than 1/4 in UV/ scratch resistant!

Polycarbonate foreshortens when subject to static or dynamic loads. What this means is if you replace your hatch lens with polycarb, seal it and then step on it the ductile material will deflect (bow) in the center. One of two things may happen. 1st you will surely break the watertight seal, 2nd you may end up with a leg in your galley.

As for the warranty: The original owner is warranted against failure subject to the material being submitted to the distributor for evaluation with the original invoice subject to actual replacement cost at the time of purchase. I guess this means they sell you a new square of material and apply the old payment to the new cost. How about the labor to fabricate the part, install it and sealant? Why take the chance?

Polycarbonate is a great material, The US Air force uses it for fighter canopies! I sell Polycarb to the USCG and US Navy. Remember they don't mind using it because we are paying to replace it every three years.
Both Acrylic and Polycarbonate have specific uses and installation requirements.

Cast Acrylic (of a specific thickness) is in accordance with CE and ABYC guidelines, and installed on virtually all of the big blue water sail boats produced on both sides of the pond. Polycarbonate is commonly used as a replacement due to its ease of fabrication and incredible initial strength. The USCG and USN require Polycarbonate on their vessels but they also have a PM cycle of 36 to 42 months for change out. My Tax dollars at work...

Due to its ductility Polycarbonate it is more challenging to install. I have seen Sika Flex 295UV with primer and Dow 795 both mentioned. I use and recommend both. Don't go over 4 ft continuous length with a fixed portlight. Remember the coefficient of thermal expansion for Acrylic and Polycarbonate is in the neighborhood of .000039 per inch per degree F. That means an 8ft plastic port will expand and contract up to 1/2 of an inch from the coldest day in Feb to the hottest day in summer. WOW!! Compartmentalize the job. It will be easier to install and less prone to leaks.

Never ever bolt a plastic portlight in place. Screws are fine to hold a lens till the adhesive cures. Take them out asap and fill the holes with the aforementioned products. Both of these products are rated at 700 + percent elongation before tear. Strong flexible and UV resistant. Kinda like me!

Been to a boat show lately? Seen any screws? Glass is good so long as your boat does not twist or torque. Show me a fiberglass boat that does not twist and I will show you a cocktail barge tied to the dock."
 
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Apex

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Jun 19, 2013
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C&C 30 Elk Rapids
Thanks MS! I'll be sure to contact Tony when I have all measurements in hand. Perhaps he can cut and polish the eges making for a drama free project. The alternative is Rudy and approx $815+ for replacement originals.
 
May 23, 2004
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I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
Wow....I thought that this was going to be a dodger window post for some reason. I was looking at it to see which material would be the most practical for dodger windows. Eventually I am going to build a new dodger for my boat.

The painful part is that I want to change my dodger a little. That means probably getting a new frame. I wish I could make my own frame but I doubt I can do that. ugh.
 
Feb 24, 2013
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Coronado C25 San Pedro, CA
I have a poly windshield on my motorcycle and after 2 years of sun here in So Cal it's showing stress, very tiny lines (cracks) that refract light. I made 4 small port lights out of Lexan about a year and half ago and the ones on the west side are just now starting the degrade process with just a few tiny lines (most folks wouldn't even notice them) I have to replace my side ports (4) in the main cabin, I will be using acrylic instead of poly. All my windows are in aluminum frames so I don't have to worry about holes.